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the USA has forgotten the lessons of early engineers and the Soviet Union that brute force works. Instead, we spend gobs of time and testing to get the absolutely last drop of efficency from everything and as a result no longer have a concept of good enough and that brute force works.

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A dear friend of mine who, for reasons of privacy, shall remain nameless here, had the occasion to serve on the ISS twice. Once he went up and back on the now retired Shuttle and once he went up and back on the Soyuz.

I can spend tens of pages describing our conversation over many beers one evening because like most aviation geeks I wanted to know "what was it like?" I will leave the assent for another time because it is, IMHO, interesting.

The punch line is this: He said that the Shuttle was modern, sophisticated, technologically advanced and predictably American. What you would expect. In spacecraft terms, it had many creature comforts.

The descent back to earth in the Shuttle was uneventful. Much like a routine aircraft flight (apart from the blistering, but otherwise, undetectable speeds).

As for the Soyuz, he described the experience, as I recall, "three exposions and a car crash."

It made me spit beer through my nose.

The point being, both craft got the job done.

Guess which one cost less, at least with regard to that application?

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Test flight in progress
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE272

Interesting route - in case of battery fire, land in ocean :tongue:


I would thing that since they are really testing the electrics, why not just ground run it? Might be they have to bite it and convert away from lithium ion.

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Guess which one is still flying?

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Yeah, but Soyuz is a government-subsidized vehicle, so no fair.
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Yeah, but Soyuz is a government-subsidized vehicle, so no fair.
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I see what you did there...

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It would be cool you could eject the battery core like the Enterprise can eject its warp drive when it is about to go critical.

Sorry. I got to get off that SyFy Channel.

It's really screwing me up.


I think they just pop the Dilithium Crystals, not the entire warp drive assembly.
The WDA is tied in with enviro grid on the EBC-1, whereas the DCs are just primary for WDA at +WD factor 1.9 or so. Just sayn.



I am certain the entire warp core is ejected.

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Wow. The 787 being grounded to warp cores being ejected. Is that a record for thread drift? :D


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Wow. The 787 being grounded to warp cores being ejected. Is that a record for thread drift? :D


Yup, and covered engineering changes and more. And this time, only took two pages...

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