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					 Post subject: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."  Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 13:34   | 
				 
				 
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						The January 2013 issue of "Aviation Consumer" magazine has arrived!  There is a used aircraft guide every month, with a different featured model near the back of the publication.  Lately, it seems, they feature models timely with a glut of good used versions on the market, or observed further softening prices.  Yes, the V-Tail Bonanza was featured late during 2010, while the Baron, and Debonair/Bonanza were both featured during July, and August 2011, respectively. Perhaps that's why there was an uptick in the used market for those models.     This months featured "Used Aircraft" is the Piper Arrow.  The article on page 24, January 2013, Aviation Consumer Magazine, begins like this: "Piper Arrow A sensible, well-behaved, moderate performer that never goes out of style. It seems there’s always an Arrow on the ramp as well as a good selection of them on the used market. Flight schools have long sworn by them as relatively economical complex trainers, and owners report happy relationships with their combination of useful load and range. Through longevity and numbers, it may have replaced the Bonanza as the ubiquitous retractable single." Read that again: ..."Through longevity and numbers, it may have replaced the Bonanza as the ubiquitous retractable single."... Is this true?     
					
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					 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."  Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 13:44   | 
				 
				 
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						Username Protected wrote: Read that again: ..."Through longevity and numbers, it may have replaced the Bonanza as the ubiquitous retractable single."... Is this true?    Hi Bob- My experience on a trip last week seems typical to me. When I arrived at Fort Collins, CO last Wednesday, I was sharing the pattern with a King Air and a V35B. I heard several Bonanzas talking to ATC during the trip and I cannot remember hearing a single Arrow. I suppose someone conversant with FlightAware could generate some actual statistics to support or refute my anecdotal observation. Regards, Bob  
					
						 _________________ Bob Siegfried, II S35 - IO550 Brookeridge Airpark (LL22) Downers Grove, IL
					
							
  
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					 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."  Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 13:45   | 
				 
				 
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						 Depends, ones supposes, upon your definition of "ubiquitous."
  The aircraft serve substantially different roles, with neither being clearly superior than the other, in its respective role .
  Arrow is a workhorse for complex training, is simple, reasonably stout and has a cheap to run and replace engine.
  It is not so common to see Bonanzas used in a pure training role.  It is also not that common to see Arrow's purchased as serious business travel machines, at least, not to the extent Bonanzas are.
  Lastly, it is not as if there is a flood of Arrows rolling off the line at Vero Beach.
  So, "ubiquitous"?  Don't think so. 
					
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					 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."  Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 14:40   | 
				 
				 
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						Username Protected wrote: Piper Arrow A sensible, well-behaved, moderate performer that never goes out of style. The key to never going out of style is to not have any in the first place.  
					
  
						
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					 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."  Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 15:19   | 
				 
				 
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						Username Protected wrote: The key to never going out of style is to not have any in the first place. Hey!  I resemble that! Attachment: 3230002.JPG  
					
						
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					 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."  Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 15:24   | 
				 
				 
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						Username Protected wrote: Piper Arrow A sensible, well-behaved, moderate performer that never goes out of style. The key to never going out of style is to not have any in the first place. 
    
					
  
						
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					 Post subject: Re: Piper Arrow "...may have replaced the Bonanza..."  Posted: 31 Dec 2012, 18:07   | 
				 
				 
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						 Greatest hazard flying the Arrow is dying of "old Age" while enroute. 
					
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						Username Protected wrote: Hi again, Bob-
  I pretty much agree with Spike; there may be a lot of Arrows out there serving their training mission, but in my mind that does not equate to replacing the Bonanza as the ubiquitous single-engine retractable. A quick check of FlightAware a few minutes ago yielded the following numbers of planes being tracked in the US:
  BE33 - 4 BE35 - 10 BE36 - 20
  P28R - 3 P28T - 1
  Regards,
  Bob 34-4 would considered an old fashioned butt whooping in any comparison test.  
					
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