I've got an Ovation 2 GX that I need to trade for an A36. I love the Mooney, it's fast and efficient and all but one of my business partners just got his PPL and wants to fly. The Mooney is not a beginners' aircraft. I tried one of the well known brokers and was told to watch the web site and let them know when one comes up that I'm interested in. I don't have time for that. I'd like to find a broker who will take the time to understand my needs then work to find an aircraft that fits, work the trade, get paid and we're all happy.

Am I asking for too much? Is there a broker that could get that done for me?

Gene Schmidt

Send a PM to BT member Neil Schwarz.

You're not asking too much. A broker who says essentially "call me when you find the plane you want to buy" isn't your broker and is working (and not that hard) only for the seller.

Neal Schwartz is who you need to hire to do this.

In case it was not clear from the other posts: I would contact Neal Schwartz. He WILL make it happen.

Thank you all for the lead. I sent Neal a PM. Sounds like he's my guy.

You get out of a Mooney by sliding the passenger seat all the way forward and then shuffling around the back of it and over the wing, and being really really skinny.

Ha hahaaaa.

Seriously, what makes you think an A36 is more of a beginner aircraft than an Ovation? Just saying... a new PPL can get into a lot of trouble with either. Now there's other reasons to upgrade (yes, I'll go ahead and call it an upgrade). (When we bought our M20J, our partner was a 100 hr PP, but he took his transition training very seriously and mastered it just fine..)

It's the landing gear differences between the Mooney and the Bonanza. Thousands of Navy pilots learned to land, with and without flaring, on the Bonanza gear. Mooney's just don't tolerate sloppy landing technique. Misjudge the landing in a Bonanza and it just sticks, in a Mooney it's bounce, bounce crunch.

Gene

That sounds more like an airmanship problem than an aircraft problem. Having flown both, I would agree that a Bonanza allows more bad technique before biting, but both are "numbers" airplanes. You cannot cheat or get lazy. I have seen 100-hour private pilots master both aircraft, but it takes a real dedication to learning and good instruction from a type-specific expert instructor. The brand of machine under you is simply a small factor, not a major one.

Another thing to consider is insurance. Its going to be hellishly expensive to insure 6 seats for a low-time private pilot.

So you are ok having a partner fly your shared airplane that lands with sloppy technique just cause the plane is forgiving?

Ok, done ragging you on this, there's lots of good reasons to go to an A36...

That is a great description. I love it... I can actually see the plane doing the bounce, bounce, crunch...

Tim

+1 what Byron said. If it is your beginner Private pilot's you are worried about you probably need to be looking at a Cessna 172. The gear can take a lot of punishment for beginners and it only has 4 seats to insure...but then, I have seen the Cessna go bounce, bounce, crunch too.

Yep, check the firewalls, full flaps and late to flare = wheelbarrow.

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Sounds like a Cirrus.