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I worked line service in college, and we had a military refueling contract. We would get those damn Tweets in by the DOZEN and ear plugs + muffs wouldn't block at all of that noise. They took 265-275 gallons each, and they were slow over-wing fuelers (vs. single-point hookups) and we would play rock-paper-scissors in the line shack to see who would take care of 'em. Not much fun when it was 100 degrees and you were looking at a couple hours of fueling...

I'm sure they would be a ton of fun to fly, but I think they only got ~2 hour missions on those 275 gallons. No thanks! (as an owner)


Scott - On a local training mission we'd be looking at 1.3 hours. On cross country flights we might get 1.7 or a little more.


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Wow, that is even worse than I thought! I'd rather have a T-38... at least you can get somewhere in those 2 hours. :D


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Wow, that is even worse than I thought! I'd rather have a T-38... at least you can get somewhere in those 2 hours. :D


If you logged 2 hours on 1 T-38 flight, the last .3 would be as a glider :eek:


Yikes, even less endurance that I thought! A college buddy/classmate of mine went thru the Euro/NATO training and stayed as an IP at Shephard and the stories he told me have faded in my brain after several years... :oops:

Charlie, I sent you a PM earlier... I met you long ago when I was still in High School and wanted to say hi!

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reminds me of something Wile E. Coyote would fly with it's simple lines and should say ACME across the nose.


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I experienced my first inverted spin in a T 37. Never again.
The story told to us was that the boundary layer fence added to the nose was installed after the Cessna test pilot ejected when he could not recover from a spin. Old wives tale??

I recall the spin recovery included a very vigorous forward movement of the stick. That's how I entered the inverted spin

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I experienced my first inverted spin in a T 37. Never again.
The story told to us was that the boundary layer fence added to the nose was installed after the Cessna test pilot ejected when he could not recover from a spin. Old wives tale??

I recall the spin recovery included a very vigorous forward movement of the stick. That's how I entered the inverted spin

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The T-37 had a couple of mods for spins. One was the horizontal "spin strakes" on either side of the nose and another was the addition of a small vertical fin below the tail. I seem to recall they also increased the amount of elevator travel. You're right that it required an abrupt full forward stick if you were doing the fully developed spin recovery procedure. Otherwise a smooth application of forward stick and opposite rudderr would fly it out of the spin 99% of the time. You should try doing an intentional slow spin recovery...it causes the airplane to spin faster as it slowly pitches more toward the vertical, much like an ice skater who pulls her arms in during a spin. Yeehaw!
Tom


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