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Post subject: Pirep 2011 Cirrus 22T Posted: 27 Oct 2011, 15:55 |
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Joined: 12/12/10 Posts: 568 Post Likes: +140 Location: Atlanta
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I flew a new Cirrus 22T today. List price about $795,000. It’s a nice fixed gear aircraft. Nice avionics, nice appointments and finish in the interior. The wings are glassy smooth. Good performance—190 ktas at 12,000 and below on 17.5 gph—same speed as my Baron on about 7 less gph. The salesman said he’s gotten 223 ktas at FL250. Forward visibility was not very good. It was not as responsive in pitch or roll as my Beechcraft, and didn’t have that tight, rock-solid flying feel of a Beech. I’m no aerospace engineer, but common sense says Cirrus had to trade-off some positive design features to get 190 ktas (and more) out of a fixed gear aircraft on 315 h.p. A lower roofline (than Beech) gave lower drag and lower visibility/headroom. It has noticeably small ailerons and elevators---good for less drag, but not good for responsiveness. It doesn’t have controllable trim tabs on the ailerons and elevators, but uses a more complex electronic trim system on the ailerons and elevators themselves. It’s innovative. The GA industry needs that. I admire its strongpoints, and just note for the record its other attributes. “I come to praise Caesar, not bury him (sic).”
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Post subject: Re: Pirep 2011 Cirrus 22T Posted: 27 Oct 2011, 16:25 |
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Joined: 02/13/10 Posts: 20368 Post Likes: +25497 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
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Username Protected wrote: 800k for a cirrus????  Yup. For this top-of-their-line bird... It's a pretty nice airplane, and they sell a lot more of them than other plane manufacturers sell...
_________________ Arlen Get your motor runnin' Head out on the highway - Mars Bonfire
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Post subject: Re: Pirep 2011 Cirrus 22T Posted: 27 Oct 2011, 17:14 |
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+1 to Robin and Rudolfos' comments. They have a parachute for a very good reason; it's the ONLY way they could get it certified. I have the Bob Hoover philosophy myself, 'I ain't gonna' jump, I'm gonna' fly the thing as far into the crash as possible! 
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Post subject: Re: Pirep 2011 Cirrus 22T Posted: 27 Oct 2011, 17:26 |
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I rode as a passenger once, I prefer to never again.
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Post subject: Re: Pirep 2011 Cirrus 22T Posted: 27 Oct 2011, 17:58 |
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I know it's real popular around here to bash the Cirrus, but c'mon guys, it's actually a pretty nice plane (my second-favorite plane after my current one). I loved the way it flies, it's very well equipped, and it's fast. Ours was a NA G2 model.
Oh, and the parachute was installed for many reasons, but NOT because that was the only way it could be certified. If interested, read up on ELOS.
_________________ Arlen Get your motor runnin' Head out on the highway - Mars Bonfire
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Post subject: Re: Pirep 2011 Cirrus 22T Posted: 27 Oct 2011, 18:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Oh, and the parachute was installed for many reasons, but NOT because that was the only way it could be certified. If interested, read up on ELOS. It was installed because they decided to go that route rather than demonstrating either spin resistance or the ability to recover.
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Post subject: Re: Pirep 2011 Cirrus 22T Posted: 27 Oct 2011, 18:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: I know it's real popular around here to bash the Cirrus, but c'mon guys, it's actually a pretty nice plane (my second-favorite plane after my current one). I loved the way it flies, it's very well equipped, and it's fast. Ours was a NA G2 model.
Oh, and the parachute was installed for many reasons, but NOT because that was the only way it could be certified. If interested, read up on ELOS. I'm not saying it's not good or anything of the sort. I'm saying I, personally, (having ZERO experience with them) don't think they're worth 800k, that's all. As florian says, you can buy a barely used one for 350k.
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Post subject: Re: Pirep 2011 Cirrus 22T Posted: 27 Oct 2011, 18:29 |
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Joined: 02/13/10 Posts: 20368 Post Likes: +25497 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado
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Username Protected wrote: I know it's real popular around here to bash the Cirrus, but c'mon guys, it's actually a pretty nice plane (my second-favorite plane after my current one). I loved the way it flies, it's very well equipped, and it's fast. Ours was a NA G2 model.
Oh, and the parachute was installed for many reasons, but NOT because that was the only way it could be certified. If interested, read up on ELOS. I'm not saying it's not good or anything of the sort. I'm saying I, personally, (having ZERO experience with them) don't think they're worth 800k, that's all. As florian says, you can buy a barely used one for 350k. Rodolfo, I agree completely.
My comments were not offered in reaction to yours.
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