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Post subject: Re: FS - Piper Cub Posted: 29 Dec 2009, 23:32 |
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Joined: 12/13/07 Posts: 2611 Post Likes: +2750 Location: DFW, TX (KGKY)
Aircraft: B55, PT-17, J3, SNJ
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Username Protected wrote: Maybe we need a thread for Beech owners who own/covet/love Cubs. I'm in!
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Post subject: Re: FS - Piper Cub Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 07:45 |
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Joined: 07/17/08 Posts: 21615 Post Likes: +10526 Location: North Texas
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Username Protected wrote: Does it have to be just Cubs? I should think not...
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cub Discussion Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 09:50 |
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Joined: 09/27/09 Posts: 3152 Post Likes: +228 Company: Coats & Evans, PC Location: The Woodlands, TX (KDWH)
Aircraft: 1989 Bonanza F33A
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Username Protected wrote: How much should the minimum HP be ? So far, my Cub experience is limited to Other People's Pipers, but I was surprised by how well Jack Brown's 65 horse Cubs on straight floats fly (with two people). You would think they would fly like pigs, but they are really sweet.
_________________ Drew Coats 1989 F33A N601BT KDWH http://www.TexasAviationLaw.com
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cub Discussion Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 10:02 |
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Joined: 12/13/07 Posts: 1983 Post Likes: +7 Location: FL KHEG, KSGJ, TN KGCY
Aircraft: F33A, J3 Cub
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Mine is 65 HP and I am shocked that this could handle floats and two people. I am starting to lose weight today. If I could do it over I would by a higher horsepower Cub. Username Protected wrote: How much should the minimum HP be ? So far, my Cub experience is limited to Other People's Pipers, but I was surprised by how well Jack Brown's 65 horse Cubs on straight floats fly (with two people). You would think they would fly like pigs, but they are really sweet.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cub Discussion Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 10:18 |
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Joined: 01/07/08 Posts: 5700 Post Likes: +921 Location: 5B2 Saratoga Springs, NY
Aircraft: N35+7GCBC floats+ski
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Username Protected wrote: 1. What years (if any) to avoid? 2. Any bad ADs or life limiting things on certain models.? 3. Know of any for sale not listed on the usual sites?
Thanks Brett I wouldn't be stuck on just a J-3; fun, nostalgia, etc... yes. But, the are many good similar models from that era. Most important is condition and properly documented mods/upgrades. Find an expert in the exact model. Paint vs. "dope", corrosion in the tail/longerons, wood spar all very important to know what you've got. If you plan on keeping it, price becomes less of an issue than condition or quality of workmanship. Buy what you want, DO NOT plan on doing the restoration/upgrades unless you are doing the work. Very labor intensive, $$$!
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cub Discussion Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 10:24 |
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Joined: 09/27/09 Posts: 3152 Post Likes: +228 Company: Coats & Evans, PC Location: The Woodlands, TX (KDWH)
Aircraft: 1989 Bonanza F33A
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Username Protected wrote: Mine is 65 HP and I am shocked that this could handle floats and two people. I am starting to lose weight today. The Jack Brown folks say the floats generate almost as much lift as drag. I don't know if that's correct or not, but the plane does fly very nicely.
_________________ Drew Coats 1989 F33A N601BT KDWH http://www.TexasAviationLaw.com
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cub Discussion Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 10:40 |
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Joined: 12/13/07 Posts: 1983 Post Likes: +7 Location: FL KHEG, KSGJ, TN KGCY
Aircraft: F33A, J3 Cub
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That is awesome Drew. I would love to try it someday. Username Protected wrote: Mine is 65 HP and I am shocked that this could handle floats and two people. I am starting to lose weight today. The Jack Brown folks say the floats generate almost as much lift as drag. I don't know if that's correct or not, but the plane does fly very nicely.
_________________ Doug
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cub Discussion Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 12:20 |
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Joined: 09/11/08 Posts: 1016 Post Likes: +319 Location: Cedartown Ga
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Brett,
I owned a 1946 J3 for several years and it was powered by a C-85. It had a metal spar and I bought it as a nearly complete project. I would encourage you to buy a fully restored plane done by someone with extensive CUB knowledge. As simple as the plane is there are many nuances that contribute to the planes value. I was fortunate enough to find an excellent example that the restorer had spent a ton of money on and just needed to bail out. It still ended up costing a lot of money to finish because the parts are so high. I ended up with over $40k in the plane but sold it for $47K after enjoying it for a couple of years. The plane was literally new from prop to tailwheel and had electric start and wind generator. The two things that I would prefer on a Cub if were shopping for one would be wing mounted fuel tanks (stc'd).This gets the fuel out of your lap, and electric start (only available if you upgrade from C-65). Removes the danger of hand propping!!
The short field performance with the 85 HP was outstanding. The places you can get in and out of will amaze you. As far as other taildraggers being as much fun; I would disagree. I have had Champs, Chiefs and C120/140's, none were as much fun primarily because of the open door but alot has to do with the seating position as well as a stick instead of the yoke. CUB flying is unique, but since I can only have one plane I prefer the Bonanza!!
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cub Discussion Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 13:45 |
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Joined: 08/09/08 Posts: 2124 Post Likes: +1101 Location: Downers Grove, IL (LL22)
Aircraft: Bonanza S35
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Username Protected wrote: Yeah, you have to have one in life, I agree, that's like asking your buddy: So when did you had your first Asian ? I know a nice PA-22 Colt taildragger for sale ? Is that a bad choice ? Hi Yves- I do not have any experience with a converted Colt, but I do have quite a bit of time in a PA22/20 Pacer. It is a blast to fly, but not quite the same thing as a Cub. The higher wing loading of the short wing Pipers helps in terms of speed, flying in turbulence, etc., but you do not get that lazy, floating along with the door open sensation. A Pacer will be more effective than a Cub at ensuring that you have good directional control skills during landing, however. Regards, Bob
_________________ Bob Siegfried, II S35 - IO550 Brookeridge Airpark (LL22) Downers Grove, IL
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Post subject: Re: Piper Cub Discussion Posted: 31 Dec 2009, 14:02 |
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Joined: 01/07/08 Posts: 5700 Post Likes: +921 Location: 5B2 Saratoga Springs, NY
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Username Protected wrote: ....A Pacer will be more effective than a Cub at ensuring that you have good directional control skills during landing, however.
Regards,
Bob Bob II, I had to read that a couple times to know we have the same opinion. Nice way of saying the Pacer will "keep your sharper!!!", especially a converted 22/20.
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