BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 11:20

On a Corvalis!?!?! Or is that just a little dis-information and it really is on a 510 airframe?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 11:50

"I think" that to be practical it would have to be on a -510 sized airframe. The 350/400 airframe is to small to be accepted by the market place for an airplane in this category...

At a minimum, if it is a 4-seater, it needs to be at least as big as the Evolution, which is an incredibly comfortable 4 place cabin. Comparable to a B-55 with the mid seats all the way back and more width.... But again, my wager is on an fuselage that uses the -510 cockpit and cabin cross section with longer legs.

The -510 is a marvelous airplane, but I would never buy one in this market. Right now, a straight -525 with paddles and a G-1000 conversion is much more airplane for much less money and only a little more fuel.

A -510 with a -60 series PT-6 would have a cabin between the TBM and PC-12 and should be able to go over 300 kts... With a -135 it is going to be a 250kt-ish airplane Either way it should be able to have more range than the -510

It would be a tough competitor for the TBM, PC-12, and -510. I can't wait to see it.....

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 12:34

Username Protected wrote:

I'm still scratching my head on how they're going to be able to bolt a turboprop onto a mustang airframe without the prop striking the ground (or at least having very minimal prop ground clearance). The mustang sits really low to the ground.

Just make it a tail dragger

ala' F8F/F4u

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 12:35

duplicate

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 12:35

triplicate

darn internets!
:bang:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 13:12

I think Scott wants a taildragger.

Username Protected wrote:

A -510 with a -60 series PT-6 would have a cabin between the TBM and PC-12 and should be able to go over 300 kts... With a -135 it is going to be a 250kt-ish airplane Either way it should be able to have more range than the -510

Isn't the 510 a 340 kt airplane? If you put the -60 and push over 300kts, wouldn't that hurt sales? The problem seems to be using one plane to fill a gap Cessna has had since 1986 and competing with other manufacturers. Seems like 250-280 kts would fit right.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 15:47

Username Protected wrote:

Sierra Industries, which re-engines early Citations with Williams FJ44s, is an absolute killer value in the price range ballpark under discussion.

http://www.sijet.com/fj44EagleII_fj44su ... ining.aspx

Paul: I've been in the market for something like this and weighed a lot of options. Eclipse, C500/525, King Air and Mustang. I looked a bit into the conversion that Sierra is doing and it's hard to get a completely upgraded plane for under $2,000,000; then, you have a very old airframe with nice avionics and new engines. Just like one has to decide on a new car or putting a lot of money into an old one. With the spar AD issue floating around on older planes being a worry and who will you sell that '78 Cessna to in ten years being another. A lot has been done to planes since the late 70s and early 80s. May be a lot of cycles on that airframe. Most piston folks aren't aware of all the inspections one gets into with turbines and jets: not cheap stuff.

I'd lean toward newer when spending this much.

Best,

Dave

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 16:01

If you care about your money, you just can't beat a single turbine.

My buddy flew his 2005 PC12 from Las Vegas to Atlanta the other day non stop in 5.5 hours. Noting beats that.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 18:11

Didnt Columbia had a turbine on the drawing board when Cessna bought it from bankruptcy?
It has to be more than 500 hp if they use theMustang cabin.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 18:13

Username Protected wrote:

Didnt Columbia had a turbine on the drawing board when Cessna bought it from bankruptcy?
It has to be more than 500 hp if they use theMustang cabin.

They could be referring to a 750 hp turbine derated to 500 ponies. That would give you 500 hp to a higher altitude. The Blackhawk King Air has that. Maybe Fred Scott can discuss it.

Best,

Dave

Username Protected · **Posted:** 27 Oct 2010, 23:10

It will take more than 500 hp to go 300 kts.
Someone must have some pics ?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2010, 09:32

Cessna: "Move along, nothing to see here..."

Quote:

N350CE...is not a proof-of-concept aircraft that will precede the launch of a Cessna single-engine turboprop, according to company officials. Instead, it’s a flying test bed that’s being used to evaluate advanced system technologies, such as an electrically powered wing anti-ice system. The aircraft isn’t a single-engine turboprop variant of the Cessna Citation Mustang. It uses an experimental airframe left over from Cessna’s clandestine Project B experimental flight test program.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2010, 11:26

Okay, so now we know the name of the new plane.

The Cessna Clandestine.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 03 Nov 2010, 11:44

This is the silliest paragraph in that article. It say "no we aren't" and then it says "yes we are". WTF?

"The aircraft isn’t a single-engine turboprop variant of the Cessna Citation Mustang. It uses an experimental airframe left over from Cessna’s clandestine Project B experimental flight test program. The company, though, has four other new aircraft development programs in the works, none of which are single-engine turboprops. However, Cessna is mulling over launch of an entry-level pressurized single-engine turboprop that might be announced in the next 12 months. Pratt & Whitney Canada’s PT6A is one of three engines that are being evaluated for the aircraft."

Username Protected · **Posted:** 04 Nov 2010, 09:31

pics...

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cessna-tu ... _large.jpg

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/cessna-tu ... _large.jpg

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Fi ... 559-1.html

New Cessna Turbine