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Post subject: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 10:09 |
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Joined: 10/05/15 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +4 Location: Prescott, AZ
Aircraft: Lancair Columbia 300
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Lancair Columbia 300 (IO-550 N/A). 5 min. after a sea level takeoff, experienced 150-200 sudden rpm loss and immediate recovery...3-5 sec. All systems seemingly perfect before and after event. Engine totally smooth running during event. LOP mag check on descent...all normal. Sumped 3 qts after landing ...only very slight debris in active tank...none in other or fuel strainer. Disassembled gascolator strainer, no debris found. Flown 2 times since...no recurrence. Fuel totally clean now. Conditions were perfect vfr, no turb. No moisture in tanks, nothing out of the ordinary. flew :50 on same tank prior to event and no fuel added. Anyone heard of this especially on Columbias? Any suggestions or suspicions Don't like mysteries in planes...
JPI 1 sec. data shows no anomolous readings at event point.
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 10:37 |
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Joined: 10/28/12 Posts: 3729 Post Likes: +3363 Company: IBG Business-M&A Advisors Location: Scottsdale, AZ - Kerrville,TX
Aircraft: SR22-G2 (prev:V35)
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I had (possibly) a similar issue that I chased for quite a while, over a year.
I would describe mine as feeling like someone smoothly but quickly pulled the red knob to ICO and back where it was in about a second. Over time it happened boost pump on, boost pump off, climbing, level, descending, minutes in, hours in, but always full power. When it happened 400AGL I grounded it and the shop said it was the fuel spider. A rebuilt fuel distributor seemed to make it go away for a year or so but it reappeared yesterday as a matter of fact. Clicked the boost pump on and it went away. Thinking it’s vapor lock maybe.
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 11:22 |
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Joined: 10/05/15 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +4 Location: Prescott, AZ
Aircraft: Lancair Columbia 300
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Thanks John. I run LOP most of the time and have little carbon. Plane came out of annual 3 flight hours before where an extremely thorough borescope was done with great compressions. Engine data combed by Savvy with no clues...but we are not the only ones... Thanks much for the respospnse.
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 12:10 |
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Joined: 01/02/08 Posts: 7990 Post Likes: +6078 Company: Rusnak Auto Group Location: Newport Coast, CA
Aircraft: Baron B55 N7123N
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Username Protected wrote: I had (possibly) a similar issue that I chased for quite a while, over a year.
I would describe mine as feeling like someone smoothly but quickly pulled the red knob to ICO and back where it was in about a second. Over time it happened boost pump on, boost pump off, climbing, level, descending, minutes in, hours in, but always full power. When it happened 400AGL I grounded it and the shop said it was the fuel spider. A rebuilt fuel distributor seemed to make it go away for a year or so but it reappeared yesterday as a matter of fact. Clicked the boost pump on and it went away. Thinking it’s vapor lock maybe. I agree with Bob’s thought. When I have experienced fuel pump cavitation (vapor lock) on my Baron the symptoms are exactly as the OP described. Low boost overcomes the cavitation. There is an excellent article on Mike’s CSOBeech website written by Jack Letts on the subject. Jack is an expert in the field and used to be here on BT. He fortunately survived an accident years ago but I don't think he’s posted since.
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 13:21 |
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Joined: 10/05/15 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +4 Location: Prescott, AZ
Aircraft: Lancair Columbia 300
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Thx Sven. The Columbia has an arm feature on the boost pump that turns it on automatically with loss of FP. So no low boost is used for all normal ops. Also, I've been flying this plane and engine for 500hrs over 8 years and it has never done this before. The engine pump has never needed supplementation. Something has changed. The Columbia and probably all Beech products have some kind of slosh box for immediate fuel supply feed so the pickup is never uncovered due to fuel moving around the tank. The entry of fuel into that box has a flapper door that if blocked could easily cause fuel starvation for any length of time. This is just a logical theory based on the design of the tank. Do you know if there is a similar design in Barons?
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 13:24 |
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Joined: 10/05/15 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +4 Location: Prescott, AZ
Aircraft: Lancair Columbia 300
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Also, the above description, pulling mixture out and in, is exactly what I used to describe the event.
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 14:12 |
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Joined: 01/02/08 Posts: 7990 Post Likes: +6078 Company: Rusnak Auto Group Location: Newport Coast, CA
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Username Protected wrote: Thx Sven.
The Columbia and probably all Beech products have some kind of slosh box for immediate fuel supply feed so the pickup is never uncovered due to fuel moving around the tank. The entry of fuel into that box has a flapper door that if blocked could easily cause fuel starvation for any length of time. This is just a logical theory based on the design of the tank. Do you know if there is a similar design in Barons? Eliot, Barons with baffled main tanks have that feature which addresses the conditions that cause fuel unporting on the ground or in flight. That is a different issue all together from cavitation. I have experienced cavitation many times - for me it’s typically after a wings level climb out on a hot day from Van Nuys to a cruise altitude over 10,000 feet. Since it is fairly predictable, I am ready to put one of the aux fuel boost pumps on low as soon as I see the fuel pressure start to fluctuate. I keep the pump(s) on low boost until I have reached target altitude, then continue with cowl flaps open until things cool down. Works like a charm!
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 15:00 |
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Joined: 10/05/15 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +4 Location: Prescott, AZ
Aircraft: Lancair Columbia 300
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Thx Sven. I will keep a closer eye on FP from here on to see if it could be the offender. Since normal for the Columbia is no boost pump it should be easy to pick up. The data did not show any variation on my event. We do have a low boost circuit we call vapor suppression but never use it except when switching tanks.
Test pilot time... Thx
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 03 Aug 2025, 23:59 |
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Joined: 11/15/17 Posts: 1172 Post Likes: +607 Company: Cessna (retired)
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I had this happen one time in a T210; running really rough and I thought it was going to quit.
I switched tanks, hit the boost pump and richened the mixture. Problem went away and never repeated itself.
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 04 Aug 2025, 06:52 |
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Joined: 10/05/15 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +4 Location: Prescott, AZ
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Thanks Bill..that is very helpful. How long after that event were you flying that plane ? Did it have a lot of time to do that again ? Eliot
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 00:47 |
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Joined: 11/15/17 Posts: 1172 Post Likes: +607 Company: Cessna (retired)
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Username Protected wrote: Thanks Bill..that is very helpful. How long after that event were you flying that plane ? Did it have a lot of time to do that again ? Eliot Don't remember exactly, but it was fairly early on a fairly long trip, so it had plenty of time to repeat.
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Post subject: Re: Engine hesitation in flight.. Posted: 05 Aug 2025, 09:42 |
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Joined: 10/05/15 Posts: 21 Post Likes: +4 Location: Prescott, AZ
Aircraft: Lancair Columbia 300
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I was just trying to zero in on what large time frame it occured and how much time in months or weeks it has had since then to recur. Min happened about 3 weeks ago, was only 3-5 seconds long and I flew an hour and a half after that and then 2 local test flights after that with no recurrence. Thx
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