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Post subject: Re: NASA / Lockheed Martin X-59 Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 10:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: No front window? No windshield saves a ton of weight and complexity. Think about the Concorde's droop nose system, for example. Also think about bird strikes at high speeds. More details: https://www.fastcompany.com/91009725/na ... ill-fly-itYou can see the top mounted camera in the photos. We could call this "view by wire". Honestly, it probably isn't much worse than some airplanes from the 1930s with large radial engines that blocked forward view in the landing attitude. For example, the Gee Bee racer had basically zero forward visibility while landing. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: NASA / Lockheed Martin X-59 Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 12:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: We could call this "view by wire".
Honestly, it probably isn't much worse than some airplanes from the 1930s with large radial engines that blocked forward view in the landing attitude. For example, the Gee Bee racer had basically zero forward visibility while landing.
Mike C. I seriously question the practicality of this concept. Depth perception is important when you land an airplane and a flat screen won't provide that. One difference between this airplane and those round engined types of old is that those airplanes, even WWII fighters, landed at much lower speeds than this thing will, and you could wheel land them to provide forward visibility. Is this concept OK for an X-plane? Was negligible visibility OK for a 1930's racer? Sure, but I can't see either approach being used in commercial operations.
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Post subject: Re: NASA / Lockheed Martin X-59 Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 12:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Charles Lindbergh  Yep, the Spirit of St. Louis had no forward vision capability without a periscope. It's too bad he wasn't able to choose a Lockheed Vega for his flight (first flight in the same year - 1927). Dan
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Post subject: Re: NASA / Lockheed Martin X-59 Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 13:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: I seriously question the practicality of this concept. Depth perception is important when you land an airplane and a flat screen won't provide that. Counter proof: flight simulators. They project on a 2D screen and pilots seem to make that work. I just spent 8 hours in one and my landings were great (often better than the real plane, sadly). Quote: I can't see either approach being used in commercial operations. It already is given some planes can land without the pilot seeing the runway and/or using night vision equipment on a flat display. If the flare is an issue, tech can solve that for a lot less complexity than some sort of direct view means. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: NASA / Lockheed Martin X-59 Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 16:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: Depth perception is important when you land an airplane and a flat screen won't provide that. People have been landing successfully in simulators for a long time. I’ve done it myself and can tell you that it works just fine.
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Post subject: Re: NASA / Lockheed Martin X-59 Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 17:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: We could call this "view by wire".
Honestly, it probably isn't much worse than some airplanes from the 1930s with large radial engines that blocked forward view in the landing attitude. For example, the Gee Bee racer had basically zero forward visibility while landing.
Mike C. I seriously question the practicality of this concept. Depth perception is important when you land an airplane and a flat screen won't provide that. One difference between this airplane and those round engined types of old is that those airplanes, even WWII fighters, landed at much lower speeds than this thing will, and you could wheel land them to provide forward visibility. Is this concept OK for an X-plane? Was negligible visibility OK for a 1930's racer? Sure, but I can't see either approach being used in commercial operations.
Carlos Dardano was famous for dead-sticking a 737 onto a levee after a total loss of power in his TACA 737 . . . with just one eye.
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Post subject: Re: NASA / Lockheed Martin X-59 Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 17:23 |
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Landing this on a 10000 ft runway with a camera would be childs play compared to putting a Corsair on a straight deck carrier.
What blows my mind checking out pilots new to blind airplanes is they are perfectly comfortable taxiing at 20+ mph blind as a bat, but freak out because they cant see on the runway.
It should be exactly opposite. I have no problem landing a blind airplane, but I'm scared $hitless ta iing one at Oshkosh.
That blind landing skill has come in handy more than once with an iced up windshield too...
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Post subject: Re: NASA / Lockheed Martin X-59 Posted: 13 Jan 2024, 21:14 |
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Rollout video, mostly talk, but short segment which talks about the vision system
Skip to 10m 4s
[youtube]https://youtu.be/KjCdGqgD9Bs[/youtube]
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