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 Post subject: 1,550nm Tucson to Orlando nonstop in a stock 501
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I set a personal record today in my 501; 1,550nm, almost 4:30 nonstop. Takeoff weight was about 11,400lbs. Tailwinds averaged 60kts which is helpful but it doesn't explain the entire story. I went straight to FL410 (no step climbs) which took under 40 minutes and pulled the power back to .35 on the AOA with an initial resultant fuel burn of 700lbs/hr. As the fuel burned off, I kept pulling the power back to maintain this AOA and ended up burning 600lbs per hour (90 GPH in a 501!!). This final power was around 95% N1 (max is 102%) and TAS was around 300kts. I landed with slightly better than legal minimums.

These are highly capable, safe and fun to fly machines that can do a lot more than book numbers when flown efficiently.


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What, no active winglets?

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What, no active winglets?

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No winglets, no Williams, no fuel humps, no glass cockpit!


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No winglets, no Williams, no fuel humps, no glass cockpit!

Ah, but you were equipped with the best performance mod ever... tailwinds!

You should have flown yesterday. At FL380, I recorded winds 250 @ 185 knots.

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Awesome track. It takes discipline to continually pull back as you get lighter!!


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Dang thats impressive.

I keep thinking I will try to slow down to get batter range but I cant bring myself to go slower. I cant drive the speed limit either. LOL

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Dang thats impressive.

I keep thinking I will try to slow down to get batter range but I cant bring myself to go slower. I cant drive the speed limit either. LOL

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I think you could probably stretch your Airplane at least 2000nm


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I will have to see what my AOA is at FL430 to see if I can even pull back power. Wonder how much higher the AOA is at FL430.

If you can get a stock 501 to 1550nm with pulling back to 3.5 aoa then I bet I can get well over 2000nm with my plane. I will have to see what for burn I can get down to at FL430 next time I am up there.

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Mike,
How comfortable is the airplane at this altitude and airspeed? Do performance charts/models exist for this profile? What is the low speed margin?


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Mike,
How comfortable is the airplane at this altitude and airspeed? Do performance charts/models exist for this profile? What is the low speed margin?


Yes, long range cruise charts do exist. It’s a Cessna with a giant thick wing on it so it’s not a Learjet in the coffin corner. I would say you’re probably 30 kt above stall speed.

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I would say you’re probably 30 kt above stall speed.

At 0.35 AOA, you are 1.7 times stall speed.

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I would say you’re probably 30 kt above stall speed.

At 0.35 AOA, you are 1.7 times stall speed.

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Hey Mike, if there’s anyone in the world that can answer this question it’s you. I always thought stall speed changed significantly at higher altitudes. Any idea on the math on this? let’s say the airplane stalls at 100 kn at sea level clean what does it stall at with respect to indicated airspeed at 41,000 feet?

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