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PostPosted: 21 Nov 2023, 13:57 
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Looking at a cub that's experimental exhibition category,
From what I gather it's not a big deal and you just submit a letter every year describing what you plan to do with it and the FAA is pretty lax on the subject.
Anybody here have any input or experience in owning a certified plane that's been moved to EE category?


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I currently own one experimental-exhibition bird and have flown several others. They have all been former military aircraft.

Overall it's pretty straight forward. Do you have any specific questions?


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It very much depends on what the experimental exhibition operating limitations for that particular airplane say.

Some older operating limitations are very lax and unrestrictive. Some are very restrictive.

The only way to answer your question is to read the limitations on the particular aircraft.

As to how the FAA enforces them, that is a crap shoot. On a Cub, that doesn't draw much attention, it is probably not much of an issue. An L-39 being used at a personal transport, you might have problems.

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probably a dumb question, but are you are it is "ex-exhibition" and not "restricted" ? A lot of supercubs and stearmans had restricted A/W certificates when they were made into cropdusters. You can almost always put those back to "standard"


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It's a somewhat heavily modified j3.
I suppose my real question is is it feasible as a toy that will go to airshows and stuff but not really do "exhibition". I wouldn't plan to participate in airshows so I'm wondering if thas an acceptable use for the aircraft or if the old faa is going to chase me down and slap my wrist for flying it around.


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Painting with a broad brush here.
Restrictions almost always allow flying for proficiency.
You can't get to a show without flying cross country.
So you probably ought to do some cross country flying to keep up your proficiency.


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...a toy that will go to airshows and stuff but not really do "exhibition".


If it goes to an airshow it's being exhibited, even if it doesn't fly during the show. If you park it at the FBO you're just exhibiting it for a limited audience ;-)


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I was once considering the purchase of an airplane that had an Experimental - exhibition AW Cert. Based on my research it depends a lot on the local FSDO where the aircraft is registered. The aircraft was also registered in a LLC, so it was our intention to just add me to the LLC as a member and remove the other member. The FAA said that the letter MUST have my personal name on it. Strike three for me was that at the time I was based at an airport that’s in class Bravo airspace. They said class B based airports as a base for the airplane was a no-go. So a $1M airplane quickly became worth what ever the un-certified parts were worth. It sucked, but I couldn’t find a way around it.

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I have one. You can be at an airport in or under class B, but not the primary airport in the class B; (although ultimately depends on the operating limitations of the airplane your considering).

my program letter, submitted every year to my FSDO, has my LLC name, not my personal name, as the owner. I do sign the form with my name, as the manager of my LLC.

PM if you have other questions; happy to help if I can.

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Same with Gary. It is a serious non-issue.

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A few years ago I researched a bit to try to find any violations or certificate actions for flying an Exp exhibition aircraft outside of the program letter or operating limitations. I found none.

Typically one turns in an annual program letter with a list of every known aviation related event or trade show in the US, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean with a statement “following is a list of events that I may attend”.

If you are in Fl and there is an event a month away in Alaska and another in the Northeast you could fly almost anywhere in the US. There is no way to enforce a potential violation.

The operating limitations sometimes list a home base, maintenance base and an avionics service base. They also typically have a radius for training and maintaining proficiency too. Typically pretty large on higher performance aircraft.


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A few years ago I researched a bit to try to find any violations or certificate actions for flying an Exp exhibition aircraft outside of the program letter or operating limitations. I found none.

Typically one turns in an annual program letter with a list of every known aviation related event or trade show in the US, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean with a statement “following is a list of events that I may attend”.

If you are in Fl and there is an event a month away in Alaska and another in the Northeast you could fly almost anywhere in the US. There is no way to enforce a potential violation.

The operating limitations sometimes list a home base, maintenance base and an avionics service base. They also typically have a radius for training and maintaining proficiency too. Typically pretty large on higher performance aircraft.


You are on my list to call this week to discuss this with.
I plan to drive up and talk to you.
Please let me know when you are back south.

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Also, to the point about listing every Airshow, here’s how I worded my letter:
“…and any other airport in the continental United States, but primarily in the southeast US…”

I did list a dozen or so air shows, and airports that I frequent. No reason not to list CONUS. it’s consistent with your Ops Limits.

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What restrictions are common (if any) on passengers?

The question came up because of the idea of having one at a local aviation museum and offering an occasional ride. Is a LODA necessary, or just put it in the letter?

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