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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight  Posted: 10 Nov 2023, 22:14 |
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Considering the B2 was a billion a pop 30 years ago, that’s a bargain!
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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 02:26 |
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Was it like the B-2 first flight, where the first transmission from the tower was "Radar contact."
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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 11:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Considering the B2 was a billion a pop 30 years ago, that’s a bargain! Just spitballing but almost much be smaller/lighter than the B-2. Single axle mains w/ 2 tires vice the B-2 dual axle/4 wheels. Hard to tell w/o reference to any know object in the pics. RAS
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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 12:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Considering the B2 was a billion a pop 30 years ago, that’s a bargain! Just spitballing but almost much be smaller/lighter than the B-2. Single axle mains w/ 2 tires vice the B-2 dual axle/4 wheels. Hard to tell w/o reference to any know object in the pics. RAS
It carries about 1/2 the payload.
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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 12:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Considering the B2 was a billion a pop 30 years ago, that’s a bargain! Just spitballing but almost much be smaller/lighter than the B-2. Single axle mains w/ 2 tires vice the B-2 dual axle/4 wheels. Hard to tell w/o reference to any know object in the pics. RAS
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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 14:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: Considering the B2 was a billion a pop 30 years ago, that’s a bargain! Just spitballing but almost much be smaller/lighter than the B-2. Single axle mains w/ 2 tires vice the B-2 dual axle/4 wheels. Hard to tell w/o reference to any know object in the pics. RAS
Smaller in size and payload as it only has 2 engines, vice the 4 engine B-2.
Flew with a few guys who had flown the B-2, they had nothing bad to say about it.
This must be the smallest bomber since the B-17!
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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 16:55 |
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Smaller in size and payload as it only has 2 engines, vice the 4 engine B-2.
Flew with a few guys who had flown the B-2, they had nothing bad to say about it.
This must be the smallest bomber since the B-17!
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Nobody really knows how many engines it has since every element of it is basically classified. Probably two but nobody knows unless you really know.
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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 17:03 |
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https://www.militarytoday.com/aircraft/b21_raider.htmCrew 2 Dimensions and weight Length ~ 15 m Wing span ~ 42 m Height ~ 5 m Weight (empty) ~ 60 t Weight (maximum take off) ~ 140 t Engines and performance Engines 2 x Pratt & Whitney turbofan engines Maximum speed ~ 1 000 km/h Cruising speed ~ 750 km/h Service ceiling ~ 15 km Range ~ 11 000 km Armament Cannon - Missiles ~ 16 x AGM-158A JASSM and AGM-158B JASSM-ER stealthy cruise missiles Bombs Thermonuclear free-fall bombs, penetration bombs and AGM-154C JSOW precision glide bombs
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Post subject: Re: B-21 Raider first flight Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 17:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Nobody really knows how many engines it has since every element of it is basically classified. Probably two but nobody knows unless you really know. I worked at PW when this program was launched, in the Advanced Tech Group, and it was more than classified. While I wasn’t working on this design, (I was managing the company’s advanced tech efforts), my colleagues sitting in the offices on either side of mine were, and even acknowledging Pratt was involved in any way on the B-21 was a security breach. When the pics were released I sent an email to my former colleagues and even now they can’t say anything about the engine. The engine doesn’t even have a publicly acknowledged US Government designation (as far as I know), such as F135, F119, etc. This is very strange considering every other military aircraft engine gets a designation once it is chosen for its first aerial platform. Art
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