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Post subject: Piper Malibu Posted: 06 Sep 2018, 22:38 |
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Joined: 03/15/16 Posts: 670 Post Likes: +365 Location: Charlotte NC
Aircraft: Piper Mirage
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Just picked up my new to me 1995 piper Malibu mirage. I sold my A36 bonanza in February and have been looking for an airplane since.
First impressions after 6 hours of flying: FL180 is amazing without oxygen Speed is the same as the bonanza at 16,000 feet and below Air conditioning is game changing Pressurization made 6 hours feel like 3 in the bo The price of anything is double that on the a36 Fuel flow is 17-22 gph so far at 172-189 tas (depending on settings). In my bo 17gph made 175ktas The de-ice is amazing (had ice on our second flight today) The landing is much different and less solid than an a36 The takeoff and landing rolls are much longer than I thought or on the a36 The noise inside is much quieter than my a36 but it sounds less “macho”- if that’s a thing
I love this plane but it’s going to take some time to get used to it! Also, sorry for the sideway pictures. They’re right side up on my phone!
Val
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Post subject: Re: Piper Malibu Posted: 07 Sep 2018, 16:26 |
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Joined: 04/30/14 Posts: 81 Post Likes: +34
Aircraft: Cessna 195
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Username Protected wrote: I've often thought a 550 Malibu would be my stepdown plane if I gave up the 340, but listening to you guys talk about the ground roll, I'm thinking it wouldn't work on my 2,300' grass strip. Thoughts? Hey Doug, I'm in a 1997 Mirage and it will fly @ gross off 2,000 or less. Problem is you are not going anywhere for a while. Back in my early days instructors tried to explain what getting on the step was all about. However IMO there are not may airplanes whose flight characteristics allow a pilot to actually feel a difference in performance before and after getting on the step. During my 20 + years flying crops I find that high wing loading will allow a pilot to fully comprehend what getting on the step is all about. The Mirage is the first airplane other then a loaded (overloaded) crop-duster were the step is comprehensible , you will know when it happens and until you are on the step you will be flying behind the power curve. Hanging and mushing come to mind. The Mirage wing will not firm-up until reaching 130 ks or more and after reaching that speed (on step) you can bring it back to 100 kts and it stays solid. Best to rotate @ 75-80 and let the speed build before trying to gain much altitude. Pull it green with stall horn blaring and you're going to be a couple miles downrange before the wing is solid. Flew out of Sedona, AZ last weekend, just over 5,000 ft runway @ elevation of 4,800. We were @ full gross and used about 3,000 ft of the runway to be comfortable. Early morning departure in mid 70's. As always: it depends.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Malibu Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 00:00 |
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Joined: 01/11/14 Posts: 2587 Post Likes: +2122 Location: Charlotte, NC - KJQF, Fort Collins, CO
Aircraft: K35 / D6107
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Username Protected wrote: Quote: Hasn’t it been pretty definitively proven that “the step” is a myth? https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/articl ... 5MgJaROnDsSeems that it has some merit according to Dr. Rogers (who has published many excellent technical articles). http://www.nar-associates.com/technical-flying/step/step_wide_screen.pdfI read that and several other great articles of his a few weeks ago (ok, maybe it was a month ago) when he linked to a different article in another thread. I have a hard time with a lot of the equations because I just wasn't ever into complex math, but I get the conclusions and enjoy the topics.
_________________ Mike Ray "You can call me Ray" Based at KJQF, K-35, SEL, IR
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Post subject: Re: Piper Malibu Posted: 08 Sep 2018, 21:01 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2815 Post Likes: +2771 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
Aircraft: Lancair Evolution
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Username Protected wrote: No. Note that Dr. Rogers' version of the "step" is from below to above Vy at that altitude, which is lower than Vy at sea level. Once above Vy, where we all fly, there is no further "step" available. Well, there is another step but to use it you have to be making a downwind turn into a dead engine while running oversquare and LOP, else you'll burn your valves.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Malibu Posted: 09 Sep 2018, 10:47 |
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Joined: 02/27/08 Posts: 3366 Post Likes: +1420 Location: Galveston, TX
Aircraft: Malibu PA46-310P
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Username Protected wrote: Hey Val
Congrats on your new bird. I did the same back in July, selling my A36 for a 1988 PA-46-310. Like you, I'm loving the plane. I'm seeing slightly different numbers. Typical numbers seem to be, FL 16 TAS 185 on 14.4 gallons per hour. At 20,000 feet, TAS increases to 200 on the same fuel burn.
As mentioned in previous posts, it does hog the runway on take off. The only downside is it's large wing span and finding a hanger! I find one has to be particularly careful taxing. John, He has a lycoming and the fuel burn will be higher than ours because we run LOP. I do question your 14.4 gph. These continentals run consistently at 15.5 gph and vary with temperatures a bit. What TIT are you seeing at 14.4? Kevin
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