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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 22:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: I just need to clear something up in this thread. The internet has voted, long ago, so like September or whatever, that the masculine version of Karen is:
Chad, Kevin, Ken, Brad, Kyle, Tucker, Donald, OkBoomer, or - yes - Karen. However, it shall be known that these are contextual in nature, and mistakes can be made. The use of Karen is considered gender fluid, and doesn't need to be bound by actual gender.
I researched this on Reddit so I know I'm right. If it's on the internet it must be true.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 11 Nov 2023, 22:43 |
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No Refunds. Ever? Regardless of circumstance? Maybe my reaction has something to do with past experiences. One early experience was going to the circus as an adolescent. I was standing in line with my $5 bill back in the day that $5 was a heap of money. Movie admission was 15 cents for children and 25 cents for adults. Admission to the circus was a dollar. I was about to hand over my $5 bill when I saw a small sign behind the vendor's podium. "No Change Made". I would have lost my concession money, sideshow money, amusement ride money, and movie money for that night. A pure "carney trick". You think what you like. I think Doc's friends might have worked for a carnival at some point. Personally, I wouldn't get out of a coffin to ride in the damn bucket of bolts. Come on, gimme some of those delicious BT ***hole dislikes. Jg
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 00:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: No Refunds. Ever? Regardless of circumstance? Maybe my reaction has something to do with past experiences. One early experience was going to the circus as an adolescent. I was standing in line with my $5 bill back in the day that $5 was a heap of money. Movie admission was 15 cents for children and 25 cents for adults. Admission to the circus was a dollar. I was about to hand over my $5 bill when I saw a small sign behind the vendor's podium. "No Change Made". I would have lost my concession money, sideshow money, amusement ride money, and movie money for that night. A pure "carney trick". You think what you like. I think Doc's friends might have worked for a carnival at some point. Personally, I wouldn't get out of a coffin to ride in the damn bucket of bolts. Come on, gimme some of those delicious BT ***hole dislikes. Jg I'm not giving any dislikes but I do strongly disagree with some of that. IIRC, they do give refunds if the flight doesn't occur and can't be rescheduled for the same day. I have taken rides in a B17 and the other flying B29 (Fifi) and thoroughly enjoyed both, to each his own I guess. Part of the attraction of a B29 flight for me is the fact that my dad flew them in the Pacific theater during WWII. As to the OP's issue, as already stated he could easily have made the flight but chose to stay at OSH and watch the airshow instead. If I was in charge I wouldn't offer a refund or credit on that basis either.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 01:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: I am obviously in the minority, but I think Wes got the shaft.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 01:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: No Refunds. Ever? Regardless of circumstance? Maybe my reaction has something to do with past experiences. One early experience was going to the circus as an adolescent. I was standing in line with my $5 bill back in the day that $5 was a heap of money. Movie admission was 15 cents for children and 25 cents for adults. Admission to the circus was a dollar. I was about to hand over my $5 bill when I saw a small sign behind the vendor's podium. "No Change Made". I would have lost my concession money, sideshow money, amusement ride money, and movie money for that night. A pure "carney trick". You think what you like. I think Doc's friends might have worked for a carnival at some point. Personally, I wouldn't get out of a coffin to ride in the damn bucket of bolts. Come on, gimme some of those delicious BT ***hole dislikes. Jg No They charged him exactly what they said they would, he bought a ticket for a time, he was a no show, case closed Go buy a ticket for tons of things and don’t show up and make a stink about getting your money back, not many places will have any of it
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 12 Nov 2023, 12:15 |
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Rules....without them we'd live with the animals.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 14 Dec 2023, 16:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: I’m in the minority too…and I agree with John. I really like airplanes, but I don’t have a lot of interest in going up as a passenger in an ancient WWII bomber. Just like I wouldn’t want to get a ride on a Wright Brothers Flyer replica. But yes, it seems Wes got the shaft (IMO). The difference is then that you would have never bought two tickets to go up in a WWII bomber. Wes did and chose not to show up. If he bought tickets for Oshkosh in advance, which many people do, and hadn't showed up, would there be a check in the mail?
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 14 Dec 2023, 16:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: I believe that is a totally different org than operates the B-29 Doc
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 14 Dec 2023, 20:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: OT but looking at the picture in the article I can see why some people collect tanks.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 16 Dec 2023, 01:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: I believe that is a totally different org than operates the B-29 Doc
True but the handwriting is on the wall, it won't be long before none of them are flying.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 16 Dec 2023, 12:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: True but the handwriting is on the wall, it won't be long before none of them are flying.
Why do you say that? I fly WW2 bombers for the CAF. The Collins Foundation accident and subsequent inability to get their FAA-rides program back doesn’t mean that we are all on the way out. It means that the (gov) system worked for once (kinda…). We plan to fly Diamond Lil and FIFI for a very long time. The gov could shut it down of course but we take great pains to be more diligent and through on mx and ops procedures than what has been uncovered about the 909 situation. There are/were some great people involved at Collins but their programs suffered and they paid the price (as did the poor riders on 909.) Saying “it won’t be long before they are all parked” is pure speculation and it’s WAGs (like that) that people hear and start believing as fact vs opinion and soon that helps to bring the flying to a close. We need public support; as a fellow pilot please don’t be the preverbal snowflake (not the millennial kind) that starts the snowball and the avalanche.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 16 Dec 2023, 13:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: True but the handwriting is on the wall, it won't be long before none of them are flying.
Why do you say that? I fly WW2 bombers for the CAF. The Collins Foundation accident and subsequent inability to get their FAA-rides program back doesn’t mean that we are all on the way out. It means that the (gov) system worked for once (kinda…). We plan to fly Diamond Lil and FIFI for a very long time. The gov could shut it down of course but we take great pains to be more diligent and through on mx and ops procedures than what has been uncovered about the 909 situation. There are/were some great people involved at Collins but their programs suffered and they paid the price (as did the poor riders on 909. Saying “it won’t be long before they are all parked” is pure speculation and it’s WAGs (like that) that people hear and start believing as fact vs opinion and soon that helps to bring the flying to a close. We need public support; as a fellow pilot please don’t be the preverbal snowflake (not the millennial kind) that starts the snowball and the avalanche.
I had lunch with Rob Collings earlier this week. He told me that the latest press release was misinterpreted and misquoted by some. They will continue to fly and tour many of their warbirds.
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