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Post subject: Re: McArthur’s Connie Will Fly Again Posted: 28 Jun 2023, 13:45 |
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Joined: 12/08/12 Posts: 1216 Post Likes: +1595 Location: Ukiah, California
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Username Protected wrote: [youtube]https://youtu.be/lFMGPsbdz6k[/youtube] Is there a version without music? I want to hear the aircraft, not an orchestra playing. I grew up close to the Lockheed factory in the 1950s (my Dad was an aircraft tooling specialist at Lockheed) and we would hear Constellations flying over all the time. I also was taken to the field once to watch a first flight of a production Constellation as well (I don't like to call them "Connies" but that is just me). Dan
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Post subject: Re: McArthur’s Connie Will Fly Again Posted: 28 Jun 2023, 17:22 |
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Joined: 09/09/14 Posts: 910 Post Likes: +2009 Location: Grove Airport, Camas WA
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Username Protected wrote: The video on getting it running and ferry flight to Chino (I think) was interesting. At one point they lost engines 3&4 at the same time. https://youtu.be/nhgU7XmyNkoIt’s not a good day when your CO and FE have more SA and are communicating better than the aircraft commander. There was a moment in the briefing where one of the scanners asks what they’re going to do if they blow a motor. The only guy on the airplane with the type rating rattles off his min speed. No discussion of how and when they'll run what checklist, what his decision making points are for the takeoff in terms of what they’ll do and where they’ll go. A lost opportunity that shows its ugly head right after takeoff. FCFs and ferry flights in cantankerous antiques are not the time to introduce risk by having three other aircraft flying chase when one or none will do. It’s also not the time for selfies, although Steve Hinton is easily the best performing guy in the airplane as far as CRM and basic airmanship. If I’m the guy in charge of that high a risk OP, I’m going to have Stevo fly from the right seat while me and the engineer control the pace and make the right decisions. And I’m going to be communicating more, not less. That unloads me and also makes use of his hands, which are easily up to the task of precisely flying a Connie the first time out of the bag. Maybe some verbal coaching here or there, but that’s no sweat. I did like their enroute diversion awareness and decision making. Nice and conservative. No wishful thinking. That’s good stuff.
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Post subject: Re: McArthur’s Connie Will Fly Again Posted: 28 Jun 2023, 19:08 |
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Joined: 04/04/14 Posts: 1830 Post Likes: +1358 Location: Southern California
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Well I can say it sounds great flying over at 5k. Sounded so good I quit what I was doing in the shop and ran out to see what it was. First time Ive ever seen/heard one, had to pull up flightaware to make sure it was really a connie. My girlfriend lives close and happened to be out walking, it even caught her (untrained) eye/ears and was distinct enough she mentioned the "cool airplane that flew over today" when I saw her that evening. (she then rolled her eyes when I tried to explain just how cool it really is but whatever  )
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Post subject: Re: McArthur’s Connie Will Fly Again Posted: 28 Jun 2023, 19:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: There was a moment in the briefing where one of the scanners asks what they’re going to do if they blow a motor. I think it was more of a staged video event/interview rather than the actual pre-flight briefing. (At least I hope it was.)
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Post subject: Re: McArthur’s Connie Will Fly Again Posted: 29 Jun 2023, 17:40 |
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Joined: 09/09/14 Posts: 910 Post Likes: +2009 Location: Grove Airport, Camas WA
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Username Protected wrote: I think it was more of a staged video event/interview rather than the actual pre-flight briefing. (At least I hope it was.) I don’t know, Brent. The PICs performance was right in line with his briefing. I know not everybody is operating at an airline level, but if you’re gonna fly a large crew heavy, you’d better be able to bring most of that skillset. The guy in that video seemed pretty checked out. I guess that’s the privilege of having money - you can play the part without having to actually perform. The best threat and error management I can think of would be to have had at least one of the Brietling guys from Switzerland in either the engineer seat or a control seat, preferably both. It’s easy for me to sit here and be critical on the internet. But I do this for a living in the real world, so why not? We don’t fly these airplanes with our hands, we fly them with our mouths. And I didn’t hear a lot of communication going on there. And the only leadership seemed to be coming from the right seat.
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Post subject: Re: McArthur’s Connie Will Fly Again Posted: 29 Jun 2023, 22:56 |
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Joined: 03/27/13 Posts: 665 Post Likes: +492 Location: ABQ/ANE/PTK and beyond
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Username Protected wrote: I think it was more of a staged video event/interview rather than the actual pre-flight briefing. (At least I hope it was.) I don’t know, Brent. The PICs performance was right in line with his briefing. I know not everybody is operating at an airline level, but if you’re gonna fly a large crew heavy, you’d better be able to bring most of that skillset. Yeah, I just re-watched the whole video and agree. Even though I knew they weren't going to crash, it had me on edge the second time watching it.
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