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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 11:51 |
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Joined: 05/03/12 Posts: 2126 Post Likes: +566 Location: Wichita, KS
Aircraft: Mooney 201
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Piperpainter's videos aside, Mooneys are not the best choice regular grass strips IMO unless they are like a putting green. The J's and newer have a lower main gear door that is only a few inches off the ground. Prop clearance is also low. And to top it all off, the simple rubber donut gear suspension offers essentially no damping like an oleo strut, so any repeated bumps can set up an oscillation and prop strike without much effort. Pre-J/201 models like Piperpainter's C don't have the extra gear door and are much lighter, so they can get away with a bit more, but the gear is still bouncy.
I'm willing to taxi at OSH carefully, but that is about it. YMMV!
Jim, if you need new side panels, look up Bruce Jaeger's Spatial Interior upgrade, which I believe is now offered through Wisconsin Aviation. Vantage Plane Plastics still offers a lot of OEM-like Mooney interior panels, but Bruce's are completely different and more robust.
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 15:18 |
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Mooney's on Grass strips are prop strikes. 100/100 times. Grass strips eat a lot of props (which means engines / which means $100k usually). Not the best use of your bag of luck imo. Tj
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 15:25 |
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Joined: 09/11/09 Posts: 5304 Post Likes: +4217 Company: Looking Location: Tulsa, Ok
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Username Protected wrote: Mooney's on Grass strips are prop strikes. 100/100 times. Grass strips eat a lot of props (which means engines / which means $100k usually). Not the best use of your bag of luck imo. Tj The answers have been what I thought, but I have very limited Mooney time, so, I had to ask. They still seem to be a good value in comparison to todays market, but I want/need something to operate on grass.
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 15:25 |
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Joined: 09/11/09 Posts: 5304 Post Likes: +4217 Company: Looking Location: Tulsa, Ok
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Username Protected wrote: Mooney's on Grass strips are prop strikes. 100/100 times. Grass strips eat a lot of props (which means engines / which means $100k usually). Not the best use of your bag of luck imo. Tj The answers have been what I thought, but I have very limited Mooney time, so, I had to ask. They still seem to be a good value in comparison to todays market, but I want/need something to operate on grass.
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 17:08 |
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Joined: 03/21/12 Posts: 531 Post Likes: +382 Location: 3J0
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Username Protected wrote: Mooney's on Grass strips are prop strikes. 100/100 times. Grass strips eat a lot of props (which means engines / which means $100k usually). Not the best use of your bag of luck imo. Tj The answers have been what I thought, but I have very limited Mooney time, so, I had to ask. They still seem to be a good value in comparison to todays market, but I want/need something to operate on grass.
Well, having operated a C170, I’d recommend a 170, 180, 185 if lots of grass involved. If proficient with tailwheels that is. Old straight tail 182s set up for it would be great too.
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 17:51 |
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Joined: 12/13/07 Posts: 19861 Post Likes: +9575 Location: Seeley Lake, MT (23S)
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Username Protected wrote: Old straight tail 182s set up for it would be great too. Any fixed gear 182 is fine on grass, some models are better than others though. I just sold my share in a 182A because it is a very poor substitute to the Bonanza so I hardly ever flew it. Other than getting airborne in a slightly shorter distance there was no reason to favor it over my 35. I don't go to real rough strips, meaning exposed large rocks so the big tire advantage is moot. The other 182 I had(67 K model) was so much better than the older model. The older ones are slow, have less interior room, only have 55 gallons and can't carry a load. Put a 520 in one and now you have something.
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 18:09 |
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Username Protected wrote: Mooney's on Grass strips are prop strikes. 100/100 times. Grass strips eat a lot of props (which means engines / which means $100k usually). Not the best use of your bag of luck imo. Tj The answers have been what I thought, but I have very limited Mooney time, so, I had to ask. They still seem to be a good value in comparison to todays market, but I want/need something to operate on grass. This is better on grass than a Mooney! [youtube]https://youtu.be/hKExgSuvxUw[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 21:09 |
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Joined: 09/11/09 Posts: 5304 Post Likes: +4217 Company: Looking Location: Tulsa, Ok
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Username Protected wrote: This is better on grass than a Mooney! [youtube]https://youtu.be/hKExgSuvxUw[/youtube] Good grief, that's just beautiful in so many ways. Sight, sound..........etc!!
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 21:54 |
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Joined: 03/21/12 Posts: 531 Post Likes: +382 Location: 3J0
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Username Protected wrote: This is better on grass than a Mooney! [youtube]https://youtu.be/hKExgSuvxUw[/youtube] Good grief, that's just beautiful in so many ways. Sight, sound..........etc!!
Wow… look at that… an early tail draggin Mooney ancestor with the fuel flow like a Duke!
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 09 May 2023, 22:58 |
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Joined: 07/15/12 Posts: 147 Post Likes: +128
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My partner in my Mooney J had an engine out landing in a pasture on the rockies and the only damage was a slightly bent right gear door...... so take that for what it's worth.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/exQn3ekZqMw[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 10 May 2023, 05:22 |
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Joined: 12/21/08 Posts: 931 Post Likes: +519 Location: Townsville (YBTL), Australia
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Username Protected wrote: Mooney's on Grass strips are prop strikes. 100/100 times. Grass strips eat a lot of props (which means engines / which means $100k usually). Not the best use of your bag of luck imo. Tj What a load of rubbish! I’ve landed Mooney’s on grass and dirt many times with not a prop strike to be seen. In fact the only Mooney prop strikes I am aware of occurred on sealed runways! Perhaps Oz pilots are taught to fly Mooney’s properly!
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 10 May 2023, 21:28 |
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Joined: 04/09/12 Posts: 273 Post Likes: +226 Location: S. Hadley, MA & Palm Coast, FL
Aircraft: 99 Ovation 02
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Username Protected wrote: Mooney's on Grass strips are prop strikes. 100/100 times. Grass strips eat a lot of props (which means engines / which means $100k usually). Not the best use of your bag of luck imo. Tj What a load of rubbish! I’ve landed Mooney’s on grass and dirt many times with not a prop strike to be seen. In fact the only Mooney prop strikes I am aware of occurred on sealed runways! Perhaps Oz pilots are taught to fly Mooney’s properly!
I agree Lee. My dad used to take us in his Mark 21 C to Katama on Martha's Vineyard all the time.
I have a recently aquired Ovation but I don't think my skills are as good as my dad's were, so I'll pass.
Phil
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Post subject: Re: New ride … what a change! Posted: 11 May 2023, 00:25 |
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Joined: 01/17/20 Posts: 182 Post Likes: +236
Aircraft: Mooney 231
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True I prefer pavement and avoid grass strips. . . but, when my hangar neighbors went to Tokatee, with their back country planes, I had to bring my 231.
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