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Post subject: Re: Super Cub Posted: 30 Mar 2023, 08:13 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 14582 Post Likes: +22963 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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Username Protected wrote: Best version I could find. It’s too bad the upper left hand corner isn’t more clear. what the heck was the "J3 cantilever" ? It's hard to tell in the picture but it almost does appear strut-less. I've never heard of it
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Post subject: Re: Super Cub Posted: 04 Apr 2023, 16:34 |
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Joined: 11/08/14 Posts: 1103 Post Likes: +1256 Company: OptCulture Location: KELA Eagle Lake, Tx
Aircraft: Wag Aero Cuby
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Username Protected wrote: We had a PA-12. Super Cruiser. 150 HP. No Flaps.
Wish it had flaps. Many folks added flaps to them later.
If you want a max envelope performer, don’t settle on something that is missing a fairly important part of its edge of envelope performance capability.
If it’s just for cruising around the countryside, it doesn’t matter.
There are so many with flaps………..why get one without them? Good question, in my case I am not looking for maximum performance bush flying. Even without the big tires, this cub is right at home on grass. If I had a STOL super cub for sure I would want them. For flying purposes, I can accomplish steepening a descent and maintaining airspeed with a slip. They are super fun too. There is definitely something to be said about just simple stick and rudder flying. As I have been told, easy to fly these planes, hard to fly them well. Seems to be the case so far. Someone asked about build time, it was built by Trevor Rafferty. He is a pretty well known aerobatic pilot from Canada. It is my understanding he builds in the winter months and flies in the airshows in the warmer summer months. I think this was his 14th cub, he set it up to keep for himself and kept it for 3 years. The owner I bought it from hardly flew the thing. I have put about 75 hours on it in the last year and only had some minor work. I went with the push rod tube conversion kit from Real Gasket. This is super important in my opinion for small continentals, makes accessing the lifters and replacing/repairing cylinders a lot easier job. Second thing I learned is these low compression engines, 6.3:1 do not like 100LL gas. Run ethanol free 87, test each batch for ethanol, and add just a few gallons of av gas for the biocides. Had a stuck exhaust valve on my #3 and ended up having to remove the cylinder, clean and lap both intake and exhaust valves. Have not had any issues since. Also, was able to do this all on my own, inspect and repair/replace anything, take my time and make sure it was done right, legally.
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Post subject: Re: Super Cub Posted: 04 Apr 2023, 18:00 |
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Joined: 03/04/13 Posts: 4487 Post Likes: +3264 Location: Hampton, VA
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Username Protected wrote: We had a PA-12. Super Cruiser. 150 HP. No Flaps.
Wish it had flaps. Many folks added flaps to them later.
If you want a max envelope performer, don’t settle on something that is missing a fairly important part of its edge of envelope performance capability.
If it’s just for cruising around the countryside, it doesn’t matter.
There are so many with flaps………..why get one without them? Even without flaps the limiting STOL factor normally will be the pilot That said, if you’re dropping big bucks, yeah get all the toys
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Post subject: Re: Super Cub Posted: 04 Apr 2023, 21:27 |
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Joined: 09/23/09 Posts: 11886 Post Likes: +10556 Location: Cascade, Idaho (U70)
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Username Protected wrote: We had a PA-12. Super Cruiser. 150 HP. No Flaps.
Wish it had flaps. Many folks added flaps to them later.
If you want a max envelope performer, don’t settle on something that is missing a fairly important part of its edge of envelope performance capability.
If it’s just for cruising around the countryside, it doesn’t matter.
There are so many with flaps………..why get one without them? Even without flaps the limiting STOL factor normally will be the pilot That said, if you’re dropping big bucks, yeah get all the toys
The limitations of the pilot applies to nearly every airplane when it comes to wringing out performance. As ones skills develop, it’s nice to already have all the “toys” (flaps in this case) ) to further push the capabilities of the airplane. It’s a lot cheaper to buy the toys already on the plane than to buy them later……. Been there, done that with the PA 12. I’d really like a true SuperCub just for fun but our pponk 182 does 10x the mission a supercub would do for us……….hauling boatloads of crap into elk camp.
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Post subject: Re: Super Cub Posted: 04 Apr 2023, 21:47 |
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Joined: 03/04/13 Posts: 4487 Post Likes: +3264 Location: Hampton, VA
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Username Protected wrote: Even without flaps the limiting STOL factor normally will be the pilot
That said, if you’re dropping big bucks, yeah get all the toys
The limitations of the pilot applies to nearly every airplane when it comes to wringing out performance. As ones skills develop, it’s nice to already have all the “toys” (flaps in this case) ) to further push the capabilities of the airplane. It’s a lot cheaper to buy the toys already on the plane than to buy them later……. Been there, done that with the PA 12. I’d really like a true SuperCub just for fun but our pponk 182 does 10x the mission a supercub would do for us……….hauling boatloads of crap into elk camp.[/quote] This is true It’s also easier to bail yourself out with em, I remember that when I got my wagon
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Post subject: Re: Super Cub Posted: 05 Apr 2023, 08:13 |
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Joined: 11/25/11 Posts: 9168 Post Likes: +17163 Location: KGNF, Grenada, MS
Aircraft: Baron, 180,195,J-3
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Username Protected wrote: We had a PA-12. Super Cruiser. 150 HP. No Flaps.
Wish it had flaps. Many folks added flaps to them later.
If you want a max envelope performer, don’t settle on something that is missing a fairly important part of its edge of envelope performance capability.
If it’s just for cruising around the countryside, it doesn’t matter.
There are so many with flaps………..why get one without them? Mike, You are around a lot more STOL airplanes in Idaho than I am in the flatlands of Mississippi. I'm curious just how much difference the flaps make "in the real world", meaning hard numbers. I've never flown a Cub with flaps, but I would like to and do repeated take offs and landings with and without to see the difference. Atlee Dodge got some STC's many years ago to convert J-3's to essentially PA-11's. He was generous with letting others use the STC's without any charge and a handful of J-3's were converted in that manner. Atlee's purpose, I talked to him personally, was to make a better J-3 on floats, and according to him, it made a world of difference. Other builders did the same, some with flaps and some without. The biggest limitation is that gross weight was not increased. After 60 plus years of flying tailwheel and STOL airplanes, my stick and rudder skills are well honed. It is hard to imagine that the performance of my Cub would be much affected by flaps, BUT I COULD CERTAINLY BE WRONG. In ground effect, my Cub will fly at 40 mph and land/takeoff in 400'. Getting a performance differential in that tiny performance corner takes a lot, but I would love to fly a similar Cub with flaps just to satisfy my curiosity. If you have a buddy that has done takeoffs/landings with and without and has a firm number on difference, I'm all ears. It would even be interesting on a later model Super Cub. That being said, I wouldn't consider going to the expense of adding flaps. I've never gone to a place I wanted to land in and had to turn away. Jg
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Post subject: Re: Super Cub Posted: 05 Apr 2023, 10:55 |
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Joined: 01/10/13 Posts: 1129 Post Likes: +439 Location: greenville,ms
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Rebuilt a j3 20 years ago, presently with a 85 stroker and tundra tires and a climb prop, goes anywhere i want to go but it's usually just me. I had a pa12 i kept in ak for a year, 150hp with all the mods including flaps. Flaps did not help take-off roll at all since they only added drag and not lift like fowler flaps do. THey did allow a steeper approach but not much more than a full slip will perform with no flaps. I shorter landing if you were willing to fly in behind the power curve due to the added drag.
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