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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 19 Mar 2023, 17:03 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23612 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
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Username Protected wrote: Transport Canada has an interesting interpretation of that. Yes, and I am thankful for that approach because it seems to have supported or stimulated a similar movement to change things like that in the USA. I hear rumors of what I think will be a CE-500S type rating which will allow single pilot operation of the legacy 500 series without the SPE. This would be much like Canada. If that happens, the value of part 25 legacy Citations (500, 550, S550, 560) will jump up. I hope it happens. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 19 Mar 2023, 17:13 |
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Joined: 11/06/20 Posts: 1276 Post Likes: +1270 Location: Tulsa, OK - KRVS
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Congrats Todd! I am also curious what you see for TAS with the Eagle fuel tanks and stock engines. I typically file for 350/360 when full fuel or 370/380 with a lighter load. Haven't had many issues w/ ATC at those altitudes but I'm not flying in the NE or West Coast. FL is always a goat rodeo (those controllers amaze me) but our trip this week was super smooth compared to the number of reroutes I received last year during Spring Break.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 19 Mar 2023, 18:01 |
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Joined: 12/01/12 Posts: 490 Post Likes: +338
Aircraft: AA1B,PA28,PA18,CE500
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So once I can get to the upper flight levels I’ll share how it does. Right now it is not RVSM compliant. Being a Honeywell/King setup it needed 2 ery specific altimeters made from unobtanium. But the stars for this aircraft aligned as Mike was going to euthanize a 500 that had them installed for some reason. Like I said if you own one of these and you’re not sending him Christmas cards I’d reconsider current life choices….just saying. They are straightforward to install, but takes 80-100hrs. And right now I can’t pull that much time together in a group. So trying to get someone else to do it. Not a lot of takers interested in this avionics project anywhere near me.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 19 Mar 2023, 18:24 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23612 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: Being a Honeywell/King setup it needed 2 ery specific altimeters made from unobtanium. Unicorns are hard to maintain. I hope this works out for you. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 19 Mar 2023, 19:12 |
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Joined: 12/01/12 Posts: 490 Post Likes: +338
Aircraft: AA1B,PA28,PA18,CE500
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If I go Garmin I’ll have a spare altimeter. Honeywell still services the altimeters. The rest of the autopilot has a lot of spares available. Was standard in the TBM and PC12. I bought a spare symbol generator for $500. If I went dual screens and use the altimeters as only necessary for the hold function there arre tons that would work then. Available for $1200 on eBay. Biggest worry is flat spotting a tire right now. That would put me out of commission longer than any other part. Thankfully I have TRs. And haven’t made flat-spotting tires a regular thing.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 19 Mar 2023, 22:47 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23612 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
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Username Protected wrote: If I go Garmin I’ll have a spare altimeter. Honeywell still services the altimeters. The rest of the autopilot has a lot of spares available. Was standard in the TBM and PC12. I bought a spare symbol generator for $500. If I went dual screens and use the altimeters as only necessary for the hold function there arre tons that would work then. Available for $1200 on eBay. You aren't "owning" this airplane, you are "curating" it. I also collect spares when I find them. Like a spare set of tires! Quote: Biggest worry is flat spotting a tire right now. That would put me out of commission longer than any other part. Thankfully I have TRs. And haven’t made flat-spotting tires a regular thing. No anti skid, I take it? I think it would be quite hard to flat spot tires on a Citation. As it is, I hardly use brakes with TRs anyway. So I wouldn't be too worried about this. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 20 Mar 2023, 08:43 |
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Joined: 12/01/12 Posts: 490 Post Likes: +338
Aircraft: AA1B,PA28,PA18,CE500
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Right. We never really “own” these planes. It’s 50years old. Quite sure I won’t be the last caretaker of it either Might as well collect some spares for me or the next guy. No anti-skid. No reason really. As you know brakes are for the last 50kts of slowing when you have TRs. This plane at one time according to the records had anti-skid added. Then few decades later removed. Not worth the weight penalty and just one mort thing to maintain that’s not needed. I haven’t flat-spotted a tire yet. And if I had a spare set of tires I never would. But since I don’t I’m trying not to wake up Murphy. I should have ordered a set back when you did. But probably would have been a nutty idea since I wasn’t in the market for a jet when tires were available. I did get a spare set of the 340 then. It’s like my houses. always in the best shape since I’ve owned it right before I sell Makes the wife so happy……. With all the jets Tarver is peddling to beech talk guys well soon need a Citationtalk heading.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 20 Mar 2023, 09:26 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23612 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
Aircraft: C560V
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Username Protected wrote: With all the jets Tarver is peddling to beech talk guys well soon need a Citationtalk heading. Citation Jet Pilots is the main owner flown Citation website. https://www.citationjetpilots.comCosts $500/year, but will save you that much easily from the advice you can get. Has various benefits, including a yearly $500 coupon for Textron. There are a bunch of characters that vary from the low budget scraping things together to make it work, to the guy who just bought a brand new CJ4 of the assembly line. A 500 with unique autopilot and a Garmin panel upgrade may not return your investment when you sell it. As long as you are aware of this, that's fine. I can recall the days, not that long ago, that 501s were selling for $250K. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 20 Mar 2023, 09:26 |
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Joined: 05/28/08 Posts: 1575 Post Likes: +439
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Hi Michael and Todd,
A few questions:
- Can you fly the 500 with pilot having the SPW to Mexico without a copilot?
- Todd you stated currently it is not RSVM compliant - is it limited to FL280?
- what is the expected range with it's STC wing and extra fuel capacity?
Thank you
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 20 Mar 2023, 09:40 |
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Joined: 12/03/14 Posts: 19252 Post Likes: +23612 Company: Ciholas, Inc Location: KEHR
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Username Protected wrote: - Can you fly the 500 with pilot having the SPW to Mexico without a copilot? Yes, but you may not be allowed to fly it back without a copilot if they find out. More seriously, I don't think Mexico honors the USA single pilot exemption (it isn't a "waiver" though many call it that). The exemption does state it cannot be used internationally *unless* it is recognized by the civil aviation authority of that country. I'm told Bahamas does recognize it, though it wasn't clear if that was a blanket thing, per operator, or even per flight. I've not deeply explored the international capability of the SPE. Also, on copilots, the USA rules in FAR 61.55 don't require the copilot to have a type rating *if* flown in domestic US airspace, but when flying internationally, the copilot must have a type rating. It can be an SIC type rating and there are various easy ways to get that. I can actually sign off a pilot to get an SIC rating, amazingly enough, even though I am not an instructor. Quote: - Todd you stated currently it is not RSVM compliant - is it limited to FL280? Effectively, yes. Major fuel usage until you get RVSM approval. RVSM is basically required for Citations to make proper use of them. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: New CE-500 owner joined the club Posted: 20 Mar 2023, 11:04 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 4946 Post Likes: +4776
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Username Protected wrote: With all the jets Tarver is peddling to beech talk guys well soon need a Citationtalk heading. Citation Jet Pilots is the main owner flown Citation website. https://www.citationjetpilots.comCosts $500/year, but will save you that much easily from the advice you can get. Has various benefits, including a yearly $500 coupon for Textron. There are a bunch of characters that vary from the low budget scraping things together to make it work, to the guy who just bought a brand new CJ4 of the assembly line. A 500 with unique autopilot and a Garmin panel upgrade may not return your investment when you sell it. As long as you are aware of this, that's fine. I can recall the days, not that long ago, that 501s were selling for $250K. Mike C.
I also recall days where the 560s were selling for $300K too! Times have changed.
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