No such statement exists.

I said you should not expect to replace all the HT blades every HSI and offered an estimate that they last 5 HSI periods on average.


They are DOF only for PT6, not JT15D, and only in Canada.

Educate yourself on Pratt's service network, see page 8:

https://www.pwc.ca/-/media/files/suppor ... ities.ashx

Only USA based JT15D DOF is Dallas Airmotive. They are $$$$$.


Owner flown legacy Citations almost never do that now, and there's only one DOF in the USA to go to, anyway.

Nobody with a $500K 501 is going to pay Pratt or Dallas Airmotive to do $1M overhauls on their engines. Doesn't make sense.

Mike C.

I do not believe buying Dallas Airmotive changed the status of StandardAero approval for its other shops. The change in ownership did not increase the number of DOF shops in the USA, it is still only one. Dallas Airmotive still operates under its original name.

Nothing you said contradicts what I said or what Pratt publishes. If you disagree, please list the other Pratt DOF shops in the USA that can overhaul a JT15D.


It is what Pratt puts on their website. You should tell them they are wrong.

Doesn't change the main point, owner operators of legacy Citations aren't going to Pratt or a DOF to "preserve" their aircraft value. That makes no sense.

You can help people buy Phenoms and CJs, but that market isn't like the owner flown legacy Citation one. It just isn't.

Mike C.

I do not believe buying Dallas Airmotive changed the status of StandardAero approval for its other shops. The change in ownership did not increase the number of DOF shops in the USA, it is still only one. Dallas Airmotive still operates under its original name.

Nothing you said contradicts what I said or what Pratt publishes. If you disagree, please list the other Pratt DOF shops in the USA that can overhaul a JT15D.


It is what Pratt puts on their website. You should tell them they are wrong.

Doesn't change the main point, owner operators of legacy Citations aren't going to Pratt or a DOF to "preserve" their aircraft value. That makes no sense.

You can help people buy Phenoms and CJs, but that market isn't like the owner flown legacy Citation one. It just isn't.

Mike C.

Ironically, everything you say is something I read on the Internet. You are the very definition of SGOTI which needs outside verification before trusting. Case in point: windshield pricing.

I trust that what Pratt publishes about Pratt is true. There is one non Pratt DOF in the USA and it is Dallas Airmotive. That statement is true and reading it on the Internet doesn't make it false.


They generally don't for the low use owner flown market. One problem now is that the slots at Dallas and Pratt are full of corporate and charter customers, so there just isn't much available for the owner operators.

I'm curious why 2000 hours less makes a V "pristine". A 10K plane could be in far better shape than an 8K one. Weirdly, the 8K airplane might be more expensive to own since they aren't likely past the original 9000 cycle impeller replacement. I find it odd when I hear someone saying they want a "low time V" and end up buying one with an impending impeller issue. I think it is cheaper and better to get a 10K V than an 8K one. In my case, I have fairly new 12,000 cycle impellers, so I am set.

As to "pristine", I don't think any V could qualify more than mine which had only two corporate owners since new and entirely factory service center maintained. But the crap I found in my airplane that was done at the service center is amazing. The irony is that my plane is being maintained at a little tiny no name shop but is in WAY better shape than when it was at the service center. The attitude of the owner is more important than the shop, IMO.

When any seller says "pristine", I interpret this to mean it has shiny paint and nice interior so the average buyer doesn't see the warts underneath.


You never get back every dollar you spent on an overhaul. If you had Pratt do it, the loss would have been greater due to the higher cost of the overhaul. Selling reputations is always fraught will potential value collapse. Spending $1M to save $500K makes no sense.

That plane is probably still flying just fine and doing its job. What was its serial number?

Mike C.

Ironically, everything you say is something I read on the Internet. You are the very definition of SGOTI which needs outside verification before trusting. Case in point: windshield pricing.

I trust that what Pratt publishes about Pratt is true. There is one non Pratt DOF in the USA and it is Dallas Airmotive. That statement is true and reading it on the Internet doesn't make it false.


They generally don't for the low use owner flown market. One problem now is that the slots at Dallas and Pratt are full of corporate and charter customers, so there just isn't much available for the owner operators.

I'm curious why 2000 hours less makes a V "pristine". A 10K plane could be in far better shape than an 8K one. Weirdly, the 8K airplane might be more expensive to own since they aren't likely past the original 9000 cycle impeller replacement. I find it odd when I hear someone saying they want a "low time V" and end up buying one with an impending impeller issue. I think it is cheaper and better to get a 10K V than an 8K one. In my case, I have fairly new 12,000 cycle impellers, so I am set.

As to "pristine", I don't think any V could qualify more than mine which had only two corporate owners since new and entirely factory service center maintained. But the crap I found in my airplane that was done at the service center is amazing. The irony is that my plane is being maintained at a little tiny no name shop but is in WAY better shape than when it was at the service center. The attitude of the owner is more important than the shop, IMO.

When any seller says "pristine", I interpret this to mean it has shiny paint and nice interior so the average buyer doesn't see the warts underneath.


You never get back every dollar you spent on an overhaul. If you had Pratt do it, the loss would have been greater due to the higher cost of the overhaul. Selling reputations is always fraught will potential value collapse. Spending $1M to save $500K makes no sense.

That plane is probably still flying just fine and doing its job. What was its serial number?

Mike C.

Buying Dallas did not make StandardAero other shops automatically JT15D DOFs. That's just wrong. There is only one USA DOF for JT15D, Dallas Airmotive, and they still operate under the Dallas Airmotive name.


Still flying happily today, N619HP.

Someone got a deal not paying extra for DOF reputation.

Mike C.

Buying Dallas did not make StandardAero other shops automatically JT15D DOFs. That's just wrong. There is only one USA DOF for JT15D, Dallas Airmotive, and they still operate under the Dallas Airmotive name.


Still flying happily today, N619HP.

Someone got a deal not paying extra for DOF reputation.

Mike C.

By the way, PEI is an amazing place, love the culture and the people! StandardAero’s facility and the people who staff it are second to none!!

I’m sorry you’re missing out.

Not a JT15D DOF in the USA. Just like Pratt says in their document. It is dated 2018 because it is still valid.

Sending an engine to PEI costs more money. causes delays in customs, and potentially subjects it to duties and taxes that won't afflict a US located shop. Being foreign and far away, makes it hard to monitor the process.

Again, DOF means $$$$$ to somehow recover $$ on market value. Doesn't make sense. Also means very limited choices.

Mike C.

Not a JT15D DOF in the USA. Just like Pratt says in their document. It is dated 2018 because it is still valid.

Sending an engine to PEI costs more money. causes delays in customs, and potentially subjects it to duties and taxes that won't afflict a US located shop. Being foreign and far away, makes it hard to monitor the process.

Again, DOF means $$$$$ to somehow recover $$ on market value. Doesn't make sense. Also means very limited choices.

Mike C.

Pratt says the only JT15D DOF shop in the USA is Dallas Airmotive.

Mike C.

Pratt says the only JT15D DOF shop in the USA is Dallas Airmotive.

Mike C.

My first statement on DOF in this thread:

"The only JT15D DOF in the USA that isn't PWC is Dallas Airmotive"

I stand by that statement.

You should check things before making accusations particularly when it is written down black and white.

In any case, whatever you call it, there is only one DOF shop in the USA for JT15D. Just one. And it is expensive. That's all anyone needs to know about sending your engine to a DOF shop.

Mike C.

My first statement on DOF in this thread:

"The only JT15D DOF in the USA that isn't PWC is Dallas Airmotive"

I stand by that statement.

You should check things before making accusations particularly when it is written down black and white.
Mike C.