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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 05 Jan 2023, 09:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Don't forget the 2 - 3 hours in advance for security checks either. Then there is finding a parking space, getting on the bus to the terminal, etc. I never arrive 2-3 hours before. I arrive 1hr before boarding (about 1.5hrs before departure time). I also just park in short term parking and pay the fee since it's a pain to deal with long term parking.
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 05 Jan 2023, 10:36 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 2894 Post Likes: +3602 Location: Ogden UT
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Username Protected wrote: Don't forget the 2 - 3 hours in advance for security checks either. Then there is finding a parking space, getting on the bus to the terminal, etc. I never arrive 2-3 hours before. I arrive 1hr before boarding (about 1.5hrs before departure time). I also just park in short term parking and pay the fee since it's a pain to deal with long term parking.
That works sometimes. Even at sleepy BOI one day dropping the plane off there for service was an hour wait in security??? Go figure. Was going to miss my flight, but a nice TSA agent let us pop out of line and go through the crew gate. I did have a flight bag with me . Worth it though, to see my girlfriend hauling butt barefoot through the terminal, high heels in hand. Made it as the gate gal was closing the door.
_________________ Chuck Ivester Piper M600 Ogden UT
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 05 Jan 2023, 15:42 |
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Joined: 12/24/17 Posts: 1030 Post Likes: +960
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You can really optimize your airline experience. Nobody should be waiting in security lines. Priority access is really easy to get. I'm always amazed when I hear people talk about our long waits at security when all they would need to do is get an airline branded CC to get priority access.
I usually time it to get to security 30 minutes before boarding. Plenty of time to opt out of MMW machines (if I can't avoid them by selecting the line that doesn't have it), get something at Starbucks, and stroll to my gate.
Commercial flying is really all about knowing and playing the game correctly. Have at least basic frequent flyer status. That will put you ahead of 95% of all flyers during the holidays, which means that you will get to your destination while others will be stranded at the airport. Invest in a credit card that gives you free Global Entry (which also comes with precheck). Get a credit card that gives you free lounge access. Lounge agents are great resources during irregular operations since there will not be a huge line to talk to them. Sign up for free programs with car rental agencies. Nobody should be standing in line to rent a car, either.
And so on.....
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 06 Jan 2023, 18:31 |
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Joined: 06/30/22 Posts: 1398 Post Likes: +739 Location: 0W3
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Username Protected wrote: You can really optimize your airline experience. Nobody should be waiting in security lines. Priority access is really easy to get. I'm always amazed when I hear people talk about our long waits at security when all they would need to do is get an airline branded CC to get priority access.
I usually time it to get to security 30 minutes before boarding. Plenty of time to opt out of MMW machines (if I can't avoid them by selecting the line that doesn't have it), get something at Starbucks, and stroll to my gate.
Commercial flying is really all about knowing and playing the game correctly. Have at least basic frequent flyer status. That will put you ahead of 95% of all flyers during the holidays, which means that you will get to your destination while others will be stranded at the airport. Invest in a credit card that gives you free Global Entry (which also comes with precheck). Get a credit card that gives you free lounge access. Lounge agents are great resources during irregular operations since there will not be a huge line to talk to them. Sign up for free programs with car rental agencies. Nobody should be standing in line to rent a car, either.
And so on..... I am precheck and Clear, and I have had times when it took 30 minutes to get through security, not normally, but it has happened. And Clear is $180 per year, unless you have a high status with an airline. Most airline credit cards that give airline lounge access cost about the same as a standard airline card plus lounge access. And the fee is not cheap for most people at $500 per year or so.
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 06 Jan 2023, 18:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: I am precheck and Clear, and I have had times when it took 30 minutes to get through security, not normally, but it has happened. And Clear is $180 per year, unless you have a high status with an airline.
Most airline credit cards that give airline lounge access cost about the same as a standard airline card plus lounge access. And the fee is not cheap for most people at $500 per year or so.
All true. Most of the cards that give lounge access are about $500 a year. Those come with free precheck and global entry, saving $100. They also come with elite status for hotels and car rentals. Easily worth $200. They also come with priority boarding and security; another $100 easily. Again, it’s about playing the game. These benefits make up for the annual fee and probably a lot more. Even just flying 4x a year gives useful frequent flyer status. But most people aren’t even signed up.
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 07 Jan 2023, 09:38 |
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Joined: 06/30/22 Posts: 1398 Post Likes: +739 Location: 0W3
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Username Protected wrote: I am precheck and Clear, and I have had times when it took 30 minutes to get through security, not normally, but it has happened. And Clear is $180 per year, unless you have a high status with an airline.
Most airline credit cards that give airline lounge access cost about the same as a standard airline card plus lounge access. And the fee is not cheap for most people at $500 per year or so.
All true. Most of the cards that give lounge access are about $500 a year. Those come with free precheck and global entry, saving $100. They also come with elite status for hotels and car rentals. Easily worth $200. They also come with priority boarding and security; another $100 easily. Again, it’s about playing the game. These benefits make up for the annual fee and probably a lot more. Even just flying 4x a year gives useful frequent flyer status. But most people aren’t even signed up.
Pre-check Priority for security. Do any give you free Clear?
I get Priority boarding but to FF status. Lifetime Gold with United and Delta.
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 07 Jan 2023, 12:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pre-check Priority for security. Do any give you free Clear? Amex Platinum
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 07 Jan 2023, 13:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just returned from a trip down south in my Citation . What a wonderful trip no problem scheduling & cancelation nightmares of the airline . Makes you feel sorry for the people that must fly commercial. Especially Southwest. That's right, let them eat cake! Seriously, Citation vs. airlines is a no-brainer. Bonanza vs. airlines, that's a whole different kettle of fish...
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 07 Jan 2023, 13:35 |
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One other factor to consider is cost difference. Maybe I'm in the minority and overly conservative fiscally (not true ), but when I can fly commercial for $200 R/T vs spending $5000 to fly my jet or turboprop, it is difficult for me to choose to fly private, especially if I'm the only one onboard. If I'm taking family, then the cost difference is less and less of a concern. Additionally, where you live factors in as well. I was based in southern Missouri for a long time and had no convenient airline options, so the cost difference was less of a consideration. It was very inconvenient to fly commercial. But then I moved to the Dallas area and have a plethora of cheap, convenient airline options. After I moved to Dallas I owned an MU2 Marquise and was planning a trip to Las Vegas, by myself. I opted to fly commercially because I just couldn't make myself spend 15-20x to fly the MU2. I think when one lives in an area that is well served by airlines, the Citation vs Airlines debate less clearly favors the Citation. Of course if you have $100 million+ in the bank, you can't spend all the interest so cost doesn't matter.
_________________ Jay
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 07 Jan 2023, 22:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pre-check Priority for security. Do any give you free Clear? Amex Platinum
Hmm, $700 a year. Clear is $180. Yeap, that is a deal.
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 12 Jan 2023, 15:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: I find every emergency I prepare for doesn't happen, so I prepare for them all. It's working so far!
Mike C. except for this week's trip.
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Post subject: Re: Citation versus airline Posted: 12 Jan 2023, 16:46 |
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Joined: 08/16/15 Posts: 2894 Post Likes: +3602 Location: Ogden UT
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Username Protected wrote: One other factor to consider is cost difference. Maybe I'm in the minority and overly conservative fiscally (not true ), but when I can fly commercial for $200 R/T vs spending $5000 to fly my jet or turboprop, it is difficult for me to choose to fly private, especially if I'm the only one onboard. If I'm taking family, then the cost difference is less and less of a concern. How much do you value your time? I have a number in my head as to what my time is worth to me, and about the only thing you can’t buy on earth is more time. When I factor in my time, flying commercial is never cheaper than my own aircraft.
_________________ Chuck Ivester Piper M600 Ogden UT
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