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 Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic?
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You mean a tail twisting engine mount bending snap roll?

Snap rolls are in the list on the TCDS but like you're hinting I think that might be pretty abusive in an acrobatic 150/2.

Tailslides can be equally rough on an airplane. I don't remember if that maneuver is on the list but hammerheads are and a botched hammerhead can lead to a tailslide. One thing's for sure, you're not gonna be able to hang on the prop with a vertical line for very long in any 150/2.

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 Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic?
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150 Aerobats are not bad; they are limited to positive aerobatics just like the Citabria and are good enough for the aerobatic experience. I have time in a 150 aerobat and have performed the following:

aileron rolls;
loops;
barrol rolls;
hammerheads;
spit S;
and spins.

It will not do negative g maneuvers nor can you do sustained inverted flight, so in that regard it is no better or worse than any other limited aerobatic airplane. The Decathlon is much better if you want a pure aero airplane, but for a low time pilot it is not as easy to fly due to the conventional gear and the elliptical wing makes things different and less forgiving.

The 150 Aerobat is a better all around time builder and is easier and cheaper to fly, maintain and insure making it much more desirable on the used market than the Citabria.

I would not pay the price premium for an Aerobat but then again I can take or leave aerobatics.


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 Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic?
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I used to do basic aerobatics in an A152.

Biggest problem was the climb back to altitude following a spin or maneuver requiring dive for airspeed, especially on a warm day. Always thought a 150 hp engine would be nice, but don't know if the conversions are approved for aerobatics.

Never did hammerheads, they were not part of my instruction and don't remember whether they were in POH. Did notice that a prolonged spin had a longer recovery time than a 1 or 2 turn.


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 Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic?
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The 150 hp engine conversion takes it out of acrobatic catagory. I have a 1980 A152 and I had LyCon do the Sparrohawk conversion with all their magic. It makes for a pretty decent little airplane.


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The Decathlon is much better if you want a pure aero airplane, but for a low time pilot it is not as easy to fly due to the conventional gear and the elliptical wing makes things different and less forgiving.


Symmetrical :cheers:


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The Decathlon is much better if you want a pure aero airplane, but for a low time pilot it is not as easy to fly due to the conventional gear and the elliptical wing makes things different and less forgiving.


Symmetrical :cheers:


Thanks. My brain knew that just decided to make the Decathlon a Spitfire. Regardless, same on top as bottom.

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The Decathlon is much better if you want a pure aero airplane, but for a low time pilot it is not as easy to fly due to the conventional gear and the elliptical wing makes things different and less forgiving.


Symmetrical :cheers:


Actually semi symmetrical.

And that doesn't make it harder to fly. It makes it easier, at least for inverted and negative G. :D

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Thanks, and I spent an hour googling the theory of the spitfire wing design.....the elliptical distribution of lift, etc.

Ah, you meant Hershey Bar wing.

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You can snap the Aerobat all you want.

Just remember the spars end at the strut! :eek:

Young, exuberant pilots making idiotic statements about aerobatics should be very, very carefully counseled about precisely how ignorant they are. They don't know what they don't know.


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Actually semi symmetrical. And that doesn't make it harder to fly. It makes it easier, at least for inverted and negative G. :D


You make a good point about "semi symmetrical". Would a fully symmetrical wing even work?


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You make a good point about "semi symmetrical". Would a fully symmetrical wing even work?


Yes.

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Kid at the controls had a big s-eating grin! 1970's hair floating. You could see the wheel twisted around almost 180.


The wheel rotated completely around is necessary in a 150 aerobat.

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Actually semi symmetrical. And that doesn't make it harder to fly. It makes it easier, at least for inverted and negative G. :D


You make a good point about "semi symmetrical". Would a fully symmetrical wing even work?


Most every high performance aerobatic aircraft use them. Pitts, Extra, Sukhoi, CAP, Zlin, etc.

What makes them work is angle of attack.

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