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I believe there is an AD to change the rudder stops, just had it done on our 152. https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/contacts/pubs/ourpdf.pdf?as_id=53278 As I understand, spins are prohibited without the kit.

For six or seven months I had WTB ad for a 152 Aerobat running on Barnstormers, and of twelve or so planes I looked at non had the kit installed.


Chris, spins are approved in the POH. Why would they need the kit?


https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-recs/recletters/A07_33.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic?
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Did the FAA issue that recommended AD?


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AD prohibits spins in all models 150/152 (except the early straight tail 150) without the larger rudder stops. Apparently there were two accidents with rudders jammed. For it to jam with the original stops there had to be other contributing maintenance issues.


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https://150cessna.tripod.com/3a19.pdf

It depends on what acrobatics the kid intends on flying.

See pages 13-17.

The only 150/152s that are allowed to perform classic aerobatics (as opposed to the Chandelles and Lazy 8s that now qualify under the revised definition of aerobatics) are the Aerobats which in that document are identified by the "A" prefix on their model (A152K, etc)

The kid sounds like he is trying hard to find a way to do something stupid.

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For it to jam with the original stops there had to be other contributing maintenance issues.

a bit like our AD to inspect control cables - that should already be examined as part of every annual


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If I made a list of aerobatic planes to consider buying, a 150 would be near the bottom. Crap performance paired with an inflated price tag and some of the most uncomfortable seats ever invented. This kid needs to broaden his horizons.

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yeah, doing a toilet paper cutting competition with a 150 is a lot like snow skiing in wisconson with only a rope tow. You can only tolerate the uphill climb so many times before decide, it's better to just stay at the bottom and commence drinking.


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Put him in a Citabria, and this student will never look back....


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Put him in a Citabria, and this student will never look back....

Or for some real fun in an airplane that's just as easy to land, try a Decathlon.

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When Life magazine existed. They would put one photo on the back page.
Before Go-Pro, someone used a wingtip camera to catch a skydiver walking out on the bottom of the wing of a Cessna 150.

The Cessna was inverted. Skydiver walking out on the bottom of the wing, poised to leap off into space. Overalls. WHite Bell helmet. clear goggles.

Kid at the controls had a big s-eating grin! 1970's hair floating. You could see the wheel twisted around almost 180.

It was a very kool shot. The N numbers were covered with duct tape, of course.

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The N numbers were covered with duct tape, of course.
That just makes YOU look guilty. I always tape them over with white tape and then tape on someone else's N number. That makes THEM look guilty.

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AD prohibits spins in all models 150/152...
Snap rolls are alright, though? (Asking for a friend)


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When Life magazine existed. They would put one photo on the back page.
Before Go-Pro, someone used a wingtip camera to catch a skydiver walking out on the bottom of the wing of a Cessna 150.

The Cessna was inverted. Skydiver walking out on the bottom of the wing, poised to leap off into space. Overalls. WHite Bell helmet. clear goggles.

Kid at the controls had a big s-eating grin! 1970's hair floating. You could see the wheel twisted around almost 180.

It was a very kool shot. The N numbers were covered with duct tape, of course.

Lol


Those were the days! Not sure if the craziness was to feed the adrenalin fix or the *laughter fix. Either way... :thumbup:

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AD prohibits spins in all models 150/152...
Snap rolls are alright, though? (Asking for a friend)


Even though a snap roll is essentially a spin it is not expressively prohibited without the large rudder stop kit. I think that the FAA was asleep at the wheel on that one.

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You mean a tail twisting engine mount bending snap roll?


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