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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 05 Dec 2022, 15:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: You mean a tail twisting engine mount bending snap roll? Snap rolls are in the list on the TCDS but like you're hinting I think that might be pretty abusive in an acrobatic 150/2. Tailslides can be equally rough on an airplane. I don't remember if that maneuver is on the list but hammerheads are and a botched hammerhead can lead to a tailslide. One thing's for sure, you're not gonna be able to hang on the prop with a vertical line for very long in any 150/2.
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 05 Dec 2022, 17:18 |
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Joined: 11/15/17 Posts: 687 Post Likes: +350 Company: Cessna (retired)
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I used to do basic aerobatics in an A152.
Biggest problem was the climb back to altitude following a spin or maneuver requiring dive for airspeed, especially on a warm day. Always thought a 150 hp engine would be nice, but don't know if the conversions are approved for aerobatics.
Never did hammerheads, they were not part of my instruction and don't remember whether they were in POH. Did notice that a prolonged spin had a longer recovery time than a 1 or 2 turn.
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 00:15 |
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Joined: 10/29/11 Posts: 843 Post Likes: +664 Location: Granbury, Texas
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The 150 hp engine conversion takes it out of acrobatic catagory. I have a 1980 A152 and I had LyCon do the Sparrohawk conversion with all their magic. It makes for a pretty decent little airplane.
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 09:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Decathlon is much better if you want a pure aero airplane, but for a low time pilot it is not as easy to fly due to the conventional gear and the elliptical wing makes things different and less forgiving. Symmetrical
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 14:47 |
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Joined: 11/27/09 Posts: 981 Post Likes: +508 Location: Knoxville TN
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Username Protected wrote: The Decathlon is much better if you want a pure aero airplane, but for a low time pilot it is not as easy to fly due to the conventional gear and the elliptical wing makes things different and less forgiving. Symmetrical
Thanks. My brain knew that just decided to make the Decathlon a Spitfire. Regardless, same on top as bottom.
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 18:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Decathlon is much better if you want a pure aero airplane, but for a low time pilot it is not as easy to fly due to the conventional gear and the elliptical wing makes things different and less forgiving. Symmetrical
Actually semi symmetrical.
And that doesn't make it harder to fly. It makes it easier, at least for inverted and negative G.
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 21:57 |
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You can snap the Aerobat all you want. Just remember the spars end at the strut! Young, exuberant pilots making idiotic statements about aerobatics should be very, very carefully counseled about precisely how ignorant they are. They don't know what they don't know.
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 07 Dec 2022, 10:54 |
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Joined: 11/27/09 Posts: 981 Post Likes: +508 Location: Knoxville TN
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Username Protected wrote: Actually semi symmetrical. And that doesn't make it harder to fly. It makes it easier, at least for inverted and negative G. You make a good point about "semi symmetrical". Would a fully symmetrical wing even work?
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 07 Dec 2022, 11:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: You make a good point about "semi symmetrical". Would a fully symmetrical wing even work? Yes.
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 07 Dec 2022, 13:43 |
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Quote: Kid at the controls had a big s-eating grin! 1970's hair floating. You could see the wheel twisted around almost 180. The wheel rotated completely around is necessary in a 150 aerobat.
_________________ Jeff
soloed in a land of Superhomers/1959 Cessna 150, retired with Proline 21/ CJ4.
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Post subject: Re: Are all Cessna 150/152s aerobatic? Posted: 07 Dec 2022, 14:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Actually semi symmetrical. And that doesn't make it harder to fly. It makes it easier, at least for inverted and negative G. You make a good point about "semi symmetrical". Would a fully symmetrical wing even work?
Most every high performance aerobatic aircraft use them. Pitts, Extra, Sukhoi, CAP, Zlin, etc.
What makes them work is angle of attack.
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