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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 400 Columbia, or TTX
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Didn’t the late Richard Collins lease or partner into a Columbia after his P210?

They really are a solid platform. Easy to fly/manage, few weak points, great speed/range, comfortable interior. Once flew one from PHX to BOS with one fuel stop.

Not as loadable or roomy as the Bo...but checks a lot of ‘go places’ boxes


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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 400 Columbia, or TTX
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How are they on “smooth” grass, 2700’ x 60’ @ 620’ asl, clean approaches…

Re-sale can’t be that bad, there not giving them away. ;)


I was based at a 4000' maintained grass strip at 3700' MSL in Argentina for a few months, that was no problem (Columbia 400). I'm not sure about 2700' at 620' elevation - I'd expect it would be ok but of course I'd check the POH first. By "clean approaches" do you mean no flaps? I never tried that, but the grass helps slow you down after landing. During takeoff it works against you - it slows down your acceleration.


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How are they on “smooth” grass, 2700’ x 60’ @ 620’ asl, clean approaches…

Re-sale can’t be that bad, there not giving them away. ;)


I was based at a 4000' maintained grass strip at 3700' MSL in Argentina for a few months, that was no problem (Columbia 400). I'm not sure about 2700' at 620' elevation - I'd expect it would be ok but of course I'd check the POH first. By "clean approaches" do you mean no flaps? I never tried that, but the grass helps slow you down after landing. During takeoff it works against you - it slows down your acceleration.


Thanks Chris, by clean approaches, I mean no obstacles for takeoff or landing.
Just wondering how much runway used for take off at gross weight, on asphalt and grass?

I’ve been spoiled, I’ve had my owned grass strip for 37 years, I couldn’t see myself having to deal with the politics at the local airport. :deadhorse:
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Does anyone have any experience with these planes. The looks, speed and technology have always interested me. I think I want one.


Be still my beating heart…..every time I see another one even though I fly twice as fast now. A 2003 Columbia 350 was my first airplane.
11 years and ~1600 hours.

Memory is getting a bit fuzzy on differences for 2003-2005 Avidyne birds vs 2006 and later Garmin Columbia vs made in Mexico disaster birds vs Later TTX models.

350 is simpler and cheaper to fly and operate obviously but in your shoes I would want the speed of turbo as well as the ice escaping power.
35” Manifold pressure on takeoff.

With turbo at 16-19k feet you will be ~200 knots on 17ish gph LOP
Keep pulse ox up and stay hydrated.
Save higher altitudes for brief weather needs and short lived bolder pilots.

If you can stroke the check there should be ZERO regrets.

2700 foot Grass runway. There is ~smooth and there is really smooth with short grass.
I would not look forward to semi smooth full gross takeoff in a 350 with 2700 feet.

Side stick will put a grin on your face within half a dozen landings.

I gotta stop and get to work….
Last thing for now:
Oregon aero seats….a must. I think they can still be added if you buy a bird without them.

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Does anyone have any experience with these planes. The looks, speed and technology have always interested me. I think I want one.


Be still my beating heart…..every time I see another one even though I fly twice as fast now. A 2003 Columbia 350 was my first airplane.
11 years and ~1600 hours.

Memory is getting a bit fuzzy on differences for 2003-2005 Avidyne birds vs 2006 and later Garmin Columbia vs made in Mexico disaster birds vs Later TTX models.

350 is simpler and cheaper to fly and operate obviously but in your shoes I would want the speed of turbo as well as the ice escaping power.
35” Manifold pressure on takeoff.

Great info thanks.

With turbo at 16-19k feet you will be ~200 knots on 17ish gph LOP
Keep pulse ox up and stay hydrated.
Save higher altitudes for brief weather needs and short lived bolder pilots.

If you can stroke the check there should be ZERO regrets.

2700 foot Grass runway. There is ~smooth and there is really smooth with short grass.
I would not look forward to semi smooth full gross takeoff in a 350 with 2700 feet.

Side stick will put a grin on your face within half a dozen landings.

I gotta stop and get to work….
Last thing for now:
Oregon aero seats….a must. I think they can still be added if you buy a bird without them.

:cheers:


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Great birds. In the same vein, there are some nice lancair es for sale right now as well.


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Great birds. In the same vein, there are some nice lancair es for sale right now as well.


The 300/350/400 Columbia/Corvalis/Ttx have very little in common with the Lancair ES .

Sure they have the same look, but in fact the wing is not the same and believe it or not, the certified version will out perform the ES.

Full disclosure: I owned a Columbia 300 and it was biggest bang per buck of ANY GA acft out there, period. I am fix'n up a 2009 (last year Bend OR made) 400 that is fully loaded, can't wait to get it flying !

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They have rudder pedals in common...that's about it.


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Can you add the Flightstream 510 to a G1000?


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They have rudder pedals in common...that's about it.

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Can you add the Flightstream 510 to a G1000?


I don't think so. I don't remember the reason, whether it's because the G1000 software hasn't been updated (blame Cessna), or if you need a G1000 NXi.


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Great birds. In the same vein, there are some nice lancair es for sale right now as well.


The 300/350/400 Columbia/Corvalis/Ttx have very little in common with the Lancair ES .

Sure they have the same look, but in fact the wing is not the same and believe it or not, the certified version will out perform the ES.

Full disclosure: I owned a Columbia 300 and it was biggest bang per buck of ANY GA acft out there, period. I am fix'n up a 2009 (last year Bend OR made) 400 that is fully loaded, can't wait to get it flying !


Fair points. The performance in most cases is turbo vs non in the certified vs exp but I get the point. I believe we had a member here with a tn550 that I think would run with the 400s. I also still prefer the experimental for general ease and cost of ownership (assuming you build it correctly or properly vet it).

The esp is also a nice evolutionary step as well although the pressurization isn’t superb in most iterations. I think I’ve decided that doesn’t check enough boxes for me in my current long range missions but I still really look at them fondly.

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Great birds. In the same vein, there are some nice lancair es for sale right now as well.


The 300/350/400 Columbia/Corvalis/Ttx have very little in common with the Lancair ES .

Sure they have the same look, but in fact the wing is not the same and believe it or not, the certified version will out perform the ES.

Full disclosure: I owned a Columbia 300 and it was biggest bang per buck of ANY GA acft out there, period. I am fix'n up a 2009 (last year Bend OR made) 400 that is fully loaded, can't wait to get it flying !


Michael,
This is the beginning of something super useful.

Can you either quickly outline or point us towards a resource that outlines year ranges in relation to:

-model names (300,350,400, 400/sl/slx, ttx.....)
-engine (turbo or non)
-standard avionics (avidyne? locked in? G1000?)
-Gotchas (non-FIKI, unique expenses ...)
-Build location (Oregon? Mexico? ....)

Thanks if able!
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Fair points. The performance in most cases is turbo vs non in the certified vs exp but I get the point. I believe we had a member here with a tn550 that I think would run with the 400s. I also still prefer the experimental for general ease and cost of ownership (assuming you build it correctly or properly vet it).

The esp is also a nice evolutionary step as well although the pressurization isn’t superb in most iterations. I think I’ve decided that doesn’t check enough boxes for me in my current long range missions but I still really look at them fondly.


My TN ES would meet or exceed all 400/TTx numbers, which btw are all ROP numbers, and I flew LOP exclusively

Everything they did to the 400/TTx for certification added weight and drag- as someone who put 1000+hrs on a ES, they are fantastic airplanes and never once did I find myself hostage to outdated avionics or inflated parts costs

The ESP baggage is abysmal due to the pressure bulkhead, this was a non starter for me


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Jordan, a start:

http://all-aero.com/index.php/contactus ... -columbia-


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