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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 16 Jun 2022, 23:09 |
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Joined: 09/12/19 Posts: 16 Post Likes: +1
Aircraft: PA46 Mirage
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Username Protected wrote: Here's a spreadsheet I put together a few years ago on various aircraft, one of the columns shows wing loading.
We had a 206 for a while, that was a miserable cross-country aircraft in turbulence, puke bags required. Great spreadsheet Jack! Thanks.
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 16 Jun 2022, 23:38 |
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Joined: 08/16/10 Posts: 1181 Post Likes: +388 Location: Prescott, AZ
Aircraft: A36
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Nice spreadsheet, but I think you might have a typo on the G36 length.
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 17 Jun 2022, 07:23 |
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Joined: 01/23/18 Posts: 627 Post Likes: +905
Aircraft: Aerostar
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You and your wife need to take a ride in an Aerostar. Pressurized Approximately the same cabin dimensions as your Mirage. Relatively high wing loading for a smooth ride. Let me know when you are going to be in Virginia, if I can make my schedule work (new job), we can run up to Cambridge for breakfast.
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 17 Jun 2022, 07:53 |
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Joined: 08/20/09 Posts: 2406 Post Likes: +1879 Company: Jcrane, Inc. Location: KVES Greenville, OH
Aircraft: C441, RV7A
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Username Protected wrote: Nice spreadsheet, but I think you might have a typo on the G36 length. Fixed. Thanks.
_________________ Jack Stull
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 17 Jun 2022, 09:33 |
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Joined: 01/20/15 Posts: 583 Post Likes: +129 Location: St. Augustine, Florida
Aircraft: Cessna Cardinal 177B
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Username Protected wrote: Columbia 400 wing loading: 25.5 It slices and dices pretty darn good. This topic reminded me that I flew my buddy's Columbia 350 a couple months ago. What struck me about the bumps was that they felt more solid compared to my riveted metal planes. It was analogous to driving a racing go kart compared to a car with suspension. Maybe the flexing of the metal wings seems to absorb the sharp bumps whereas in the Columbia it felt like the structure was so stiff that the whole airplane just rose or fell with the bumps. Don't get me wrong - the Columbia is a freakin' awesome airplane! I'm sure I left drool all over the seat as I got out.
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 17 Jun 2022, 09:43 |
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Joined: 05/13/14 Posts: 8341 Post Likes: +6553 Location: Central Texas (KTPL)
Aircraft: PA-46-310P
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Username Protected wrote: You and your wife need to take a ride in an Aerostar. It's probably in the very long A* thread, but over several years, what are you averaging for an annual inspection including repairs?
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 17 Jun 2022, 10:00 |
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Joined: 01/23/18 Posts: 627 Post Likes: +905
Aircraft: Aerostar
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Username Protected wrote: You and your wife need to take a ride in an Aerostar. It's probably in the very long A* thread, but over several years, what are you averaging for an annual inspection including repairs?
I’m not sure whether this is an exercise in leg pulling or a serious question…
Rough numbers all in:
“750.00/HR plus gas”
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 17 Jun 2022, 10:03 |
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Joined: 08/12/08 Posts: 7421 Post Likes: +2248 Company: Retired Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Aircraft: '76 A36 TAT TN 550
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Username Protected wrote: Had an SR22T, and thought it handled turbulence pretty well for a small plane. Earlier this year, purchased a Mirage and have about 100 hours or so on it, and boy does it bounce. I've been in what I thought would not have been that bad of turbulence in the Cirrus, and the Mirage just feels like a kite. I knew going in that the PA46 was not as "solid" feeling, but I was surprised. The wing loadings posted are most likely calculated at max GW. Have you been flying your Mirage at weights significantly below gross? If the figures posted are accurate the Malibu/Mirage have a higher wing loading than my A36. But I *always* fly with full tanks when I expect turbulence. I also slow down as it really smooths out the bumps. I also look for a smooth ride even if that means a greater headwind. I find that getting bounced around for a few hours can be fatiguing, but I can fly all day if the ride is smooth.
_________________ ABS Life Member
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 17 Jun 2022, 10:19 |
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Joined: 05/13/14 Posts: 8341 Post Likes: +6553 Location: Central Texas (KTPL)
Aircraft: PA-46-310P
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Username Protected wrote: I’m not sure whether this is an exercise in leg pulling or a serious question… Serious question. Gas prices have blunted my interest in the A*, but the speed and pressurization still beckon... I feel the same way about the Malibu, but the portly wingspan and general lack of inventory keep me on the sidelines.
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Post subject: Re: Am I a Weenie, or do I need a new plane? Posted: 17 Jun 2022, 22:32 |
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Joined: 10/24/19 Posts: 145 Post Likes: +38 Location: Central NY, (N03)
Aircraft: 421C
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Joe,
I don’t know if you’ve considered or not but, according to Jack’s spreadsheet - the 421C has a wing loading of 34.7. This might be the “in-between” that you’re looking for. Your wife, (and others), will love the cabin and the smooth, quiet ride that we’ve been enjoying for the past couple of years. I know that all of mine are spoiled now and it would be difficult going back to single engine and unpressurized. Hopefully, Bidenomics doesn’t force us to..
John
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