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 Post subject: Piper Saratogo specialist maintence shop recommendation S.E.
PostPosted: 17 May 2022, 14:22 
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Hello All,

I'm a Beech guy and can't help my friend on this issue. He has a Saratogo with air conditioning and front mounted alternator that keeps throwing belts. He had his shop fix it, but 3 hours later it threw another belt. I took a look at it, and saw the idler pulley and alternator were out of alignment. Fixed that, but 27 hours later it threw another belt. He took it back to his normal mechanic and they put a new alternator and new idler pulley on it, 4 hours later it threw another belt.

Like I said, I'm a Beech mechanic and don't have the expertise to help him. His current mechanic is just guessing and now says his timing must be off!!! I'm like no that's not it!

There is some disscussion about narrow belts having issues on Pipers online, but that is out of my wheelhouse.

Trying to help my friend find the "Bob Riply" of Piper Aircraft! Any suggestions? My friend is in central FL, but airplane is currently AOG in New Orleans.

Thanks everyone,

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 Post subject: Re: Piper Saratogo specialist maintence shop recommendation
PostPosted: 17 May 2022, 19:46 
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Look up Don Downs, Cannon Creek airport in Lake City, Fl. The Piper crew consider him an expert in Piper airframes. Also, Bartelt Aviation are the PA32 absolute experts in Michigan. I bought mine from them. Worth at least a call to see if they have a trajectory to follow.


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Saratogo specialist maintence shop recommendation
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We had a 78 Archer that liked to throw belts. Had a skinny alternator belt to make room for the air conditioner belt. Upgraded to a later part number on the pulleys / starter gear which allowed for nice fat belts on both alternator and air conditioner. Belts lasted much better.

Another issue was the specified belt tension, we had a real belt tension gauge and set per the spec in the maintenance manual. Our very experienced A&P said that was way too tight and used a lesser tension that worked better. As long as the belt is tight enough not to slip under load, it’s apparently enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Saratogo specialist maintence shop recommendation
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Look up Don Downs, Cannon Creek airport in Lake City, Fl. The Piper crew consider him an expert in Piper airframes. Also, Bartelt Aviation are the PA32 absolute experts in Michigan. I bought mine from them. Worth at least a call to see if they have a trajectory to follow.

Second vote for Don. Top notch in Pipers.


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 Post subject: Re: Piper Saratogo specialist maintence shop recommendation
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 Post subject: Re: Piper Saratogo specialist maintence shop recommendation
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There is a 30+ year old Piper Service Letter 903a that addresses this issue. The shop where he is AOG needs to look it up, and follow the instructions precisely.

It's just an alignment issue of the alternator, which uses a narrow belt that is prone to twisting if the alternator is not aligned with the pulleys.

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Bill Turley at Aircraft Engineering in Bartow, FL. Look no further.


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