Poser. I left you a voice mail 6 seconds ago about my Bo and you still haven't called me back. Go get a rope. You know what to do.

I haven't had this much fun reading a thread since RAPTOR!

This thread reminds me of the old rec.aviation.homebuilt days of the late 1990s. Anyone here remember Zoom, Bad Water Bill, etc?

Ryan you are clearly a man who is incapable of taking advice, so please don’t treat the following as advice, merely observations.

1. Your behaviour on here sends the message that you need to sell the plane. This is reinforced by the fact that you appear to have owned it for less than a year. Whether the need is because you have taken on more than you can afford, or some other reason is open to speculation. This message might be wrong but never the less it is the message you are sending. No amount of denial by you will now change what I am sure many now take to be the case.

2. Potential buyers don’t need to buy your plane.

3. Never pre judge a potential buyer. Sometimes the most unlikely prospect turns out to be a buyer.

4. Sellers of any item maximise their chances of making a sale if they treat all prospects courteously and seriously, whatever the seller might think.

5. Buyers rarely buy from someone they don’t like or trust. Your behaviour on here runs the risk of putting you in that category in the eyes of many.

6. In this cyber world there is no going back. Once you have posted something online it is there for posterity, as many public figures have discovered to their regret.

7. There is nothing wrong with valid criticism, however it is most effective when delivered in a thoughtful way. Abusive and offensive language negates the criticism even if it is deserved.

Usually a full avionics install job is lucky to gain 100 or so pounds back. Mostly the work & re-weigh just makes up for the "optimistic" original weight and/or any favorable math errors through the years. I do believe that past owner did all they could to have it weighed and reflect accurately. But Ryan was told that the weight couldn't be correct a year ago by quite a few members on Twin Cessna Flyers.

Its $81,350 an engine at RAM. New hoses $2500/ea. If you wanted new Alternators $4000/ea. Its $185K installed. My plane with the A+ full panel, low hours, great logs, NDH, maintenance $ spent, paint, interior, high useful load, long range fuel, is a very good deal with new engines at $750K. It would be likely one of the finest 421C's out there. And all it needs to be that are engines. Compare it to the one almost sold and listed for $950K. Or to Jim's that just sold for $695K, or to 421L that just sold. And you could fly it for a couple years or more likely now. Engines are running great.

Just a thought.

There’s only one reason anything that’s for sale doesn’t sell.

It’s priced too high.

Everything else is noise and a waste of time.

BINGO!

Dave

That's fair. FWF for a new engine in 2020 was 98k.

My 250,000 included new engine mounts, exhaust and new accessories. Basically everything new firewall forward.
I have a 1980 421C with 3600 hours TT, all logs, NDH, 2450 UL and if Garmin makes it, it’s in the panel including a GWX70 radar, GFC600 AP, two 750 waas boxes a 430W , L3 Storm scope two traffic systems and many more items. Heck I can’t remember them all.
It has 350 hours since everything new FWF.
I think the realistic value is about 575,000 because of the new engines. It might be for sale by the end of the year. It depends on what I buy next.
I personally have flown this plane 2400 hours in the last 17 years and gone through everything.

Gerald,
We just purchased one. I think we should have waited for yours!

Chris C

Airplanes are a strange market: Sometimes its not advertised in the right places, and sometimes you just have to wait.

Since there is so much variation in installed equipment, and since its so much more expensive to install new than to find it already on a plane there can be cases where a plane is especially well matched to a particular buyer's needs. The market isn't big enough to be really efficient.

If the seller is in a hurry, they can sell sooner by reducing the price - and take a hit relative to what they might have gotten if they were able to take more time

Amen, brother.

~8% of text messages are lost in the ether and not delivered or delivered hours/days later. I use iPhone/ATT. A buddy uses Samsung/Verizon. Our SMS messages are significantly delayed. If it includes a pic, it is never delivered. The problem seems to be unique to us. Others using similar gear/carriers … no problems whatsoever.

The recent STIR/SHAKEN anti-spam telephone technology sometimes inhibits the completion of dialed calls. A different buddy uses Samsung/T-Mobile. Whenever he calls my VoIP line, he will hear either busy or ringing … when my VoIP line is on-hook (available). This guy happens to be an Engineering VP at T-Mobile and they have tried and failed to identify the root cause when working with my VoIP provider.

If it is an important relationship, I encourage folks to consider using Signal for the their voice, video and text communications.

And when you do put it on the market, some fool will want to pull a cylinder to check for corrosion.

Jg

Amen, brother.

~8% of text messages are lost in the ether and not delivered or delivered hours/days later. I use iPhone/ATT. A buddy uses Samsung/Verizon. Our SMS messages are significantly delayed. If it includes a pic, it is never delivered. The problem seems to be unique to us. Others using similar gear/carriers … no problems whatsoever.

The recent STIR/SHAKEN anti-spam telephone technology sometimes inhibits the completion of dialed calls. A different buddy uses T-Mobile. Whenever he calls my VoIP line, he will hear either busy or ringing … when my VoIP line is on-hook (available). This guy happens to be an Engineering VP at T-Mobile and they have tried and failed to identify the root cause when working with my VoIP provider.

If it is an important relationship, I encourage folks to consider using Signal for the their voice, video and text communications.