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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus First Impressions
PostPosted: 25 Mar 2022, 09:25 
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I often fly with 3 adults (including me) and one grandchild. My second grandchild is due next week so I expect soon I will be flying with 3 adults and 2 grandchildren.

My A36, with a 1,632 pound useful load, can handle that easily.

The accessories the grandchildren require (car seats, strollers, diaper bags, etc.) are the limiting factor, not the weight.

Typically my daughter’s dog and spouse (along with many accessories) travel separately by auto. But having the little one (soon to be two) in the aircraft greatly increases the enjoyment of the trip because children are free to move about the cabin other than take-off and landing. That keeps everyone happier.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus First Impressions
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Jim,

Pressurization leaves you significantly refreshed compared to having just O2. Your body is just not working as hard....

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus First Impressions
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To briefly add to this discussion, our most common trip is a 223 NM one to Bishop, CA. There we land, hop into our old 4x4 pickup truck and head up to our ski condo in Mammoth Lakes, CA.

It’s a 6:15 drive by car. In the Bonanza it’s a 1:15 flight each way plus a half hour drive. Figure roughly 3 hours door to door.

The older Malibus have useful loads in the 1300 lb. Range from what I’ve read. Less 40 gallons for fuel (240 lbs.) I’d be left with more than 1,000 lbs. for passengers and luggage.

That is more than adequate for our most common trip!

Pressurization would enable us to fly higher and perhaps shorten the trip even further (my normal route is far from direct as I seek to limit time over the Sierras as they are typically a very inhospitable place for a forced landing in an emergency).

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I have never flown a TBM so was just reporting this pilot's observation about his transition experience from an M600 to a TBM 930. He said that it was a higher workload for the pilot in the TBM vs. the M600. The inertial separator is presumably part of that but he wasn't specific about the rest. The avionics are the same (both G3000) so it must be systems- or procedures- related, I'm assuming. He was pretty emphatic about it at the time, which I found interesting.


Does the TBM have a fuel preheater? M600 appears not to by virtue of always needing prist.


The Meridian/M500/M600 all have fuel heaters. The M600 has the best fuel heater of the bunch, but still requires Prist per the POH. I don’t think the Jet prop requires Prist. Slightly different fuel system. The Piper M’s have fuel filters before the engine, which if obstructed have bypass valves which will CAS. There are fuel temp monitors in the Piper M’s, and you have to descend if the fuel temp drops below -34. I have flown the M600 as cold as OAT of -54, with the fuel staying warm. Never heard of frozen fuel in a Piper M, but I definitely follow the POH guidance for Prist
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