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Post subject: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 12:41 |
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Cirrus introduced the new 2022 model yesterday. In the video the talk about some improvements, usb, lights, luggage door, new colors etc. However what impressed me the most is a gain of (up to) 9 kts in cruise due to an aerodynamic clean up. That is very impressive if it holds true.
I´ve never been in a Cirrus but it looks pretty nice.
Rgs,
Patrick.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 14:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: However what impressed me the most is a gain of (up to) 9 kts in cruise due to an aerodynamic clean up. So for 20+ years, they left 9 knots of drag on the design that they only found now, or chose to ignore until now? No wonder the Columbia/Corvalis was faster. 9 knots is lot for a "clean up". Speed improvement claims have a long history of over promising and under delivering. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 14:11 |
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New lights and colors and USB? Great.
What have they been doing all this time? How about improvements that are actually useful for a plane? Like pressurization, retract, 6 seats, etc.
It's almost like manufacturers have forgotten how to bring new planes to market.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 14:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: New lights and colors and USB? Great.
What have they been doing all this time? How about improvements that are actually useful for a plane? Like pressurization, retract, 6 seats, etc.
It's almost like manufacturers have forgotten how to bring new planes to market. I think that's called the SF50 Vision Jet.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 14:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: New lights and colors and USB? Great.
What have they been doing all this time? How about improvements that are actually useful for a plane? Like pressurization, retract, 6 seats, etc.
It's almost like manufacturers have forgotten how to bring new planes to market. I think that's called the SF50 Vision Jet. Right, but that doesn't help owners who don't want to spend millions on getting a capability that was available at a fraction of that price from the major manufacturers 40 years ago.
Where's the innovation? A Cessna 210 did all of these things and was widely and relatively cheaply available decades ago. Given modern manufacturing and materials technology, true innovation would show us something new like that. Not a massively more expensive alternative. That's easy.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 15:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Right, but that doesn't help owners who don't want to spend millions on getting a capability that was available at a fraction of that price from the major manufacturers 40 years ago.
Where's the innovation? A Cessna 210 did all of these things and was widely and relatively cheaply available decades ago. Given modern manufacturing and materials technology, true innovation would show us something new like that. Not a massively more expensive alternative. That's easy. Have you seen the price tag of a new A36, Cessna 172, or PA-28? If Cessna came out with a new Cessna P210, it would probably be $1 million plus. Believe me I get it, I can't believe there are that many pilots looking to spend $500+k on a light GA aircraft. I'm certainly not!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 15:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: However what impressed me the most is a gain of (up to) 9 kts in cruise due to an aerodynamic clean up. So for 20+ years, they left 9 knots of drag on the design that they only found now, or chose to ignore until now? No wonder the Columbia/Corvalis was faster. 9 knots is lot for a "clean up". Speed improvement claims have a long history of over promising and under delivering. Mike C.
How many knots would you guess are hidden away in a C182 o a BE36?
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 15:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Right, but that doesn't help owners who don't want to spend millions on getting a capability that was available at a fraction of that price from the major manufacturers 40 years ago.
Where's the innovation? A Cessna 210 did all of these things and was widely and relatively cheaply available decades ago. Given modern manufacturing and materials technology, true innovation would show us something new like that. Not a massively more expensive alternative. That's easy. Have you seen the price tag of a new A36, Cessna 172, or PA-28? If Cessna came out with a new Cessna P210, it would probably be $1 million plus. Believe me I get it, I can't believe there are that many pilots looking to spend $500+k on a light GA aircraft. I'm certainly not! Agreed. That's my point. Ordinarily, innovation, new materials, improved manufacturing technologies all drive prices down.
Obviously, there's an issue with economies of scale right now since Beechcraft doesn't make many 36s, but Cirrus is at least selling a significant number of planes. I'm disappointed that, given those sales numbers, they can't innovate beyond including USB ports, a wireless door, or other irrelevant "improvements".
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 15:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Right, but that doesn't help owners who don't want to spend millions on getting a capability that was available at a fraction of that price from the major manufacturers 40 years ago.
Where's the innovation? A Cessna 210 did all of these things and was widely and relatively cheaply available decades ago. Given modern manufacturing and materials technology, true innovation would show us something new like that. Not a massively more expensive alternative. That's easy. Have you seen the price tag of a new A36, Cessna 172, or PA-28? If Cessna came out with a new Cessna P210, it would probably be $1 million plus. Believe me I get it, I can't believe there are that many pilots looking to spend $500+k on a light GA aircraft. I'm certainly not!
Cessna/Textron makes the fixed gear version of the 210 and you’re probably at a million out the door by the time you are done with tax, tag and title. That is probably not far off from what a decked out 210 cost in early 1980s dollars.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 15:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: How many knots would you guess are hidden away in a C182 o a BE36? Same as the last year's Cirrus. Up to 9 knots.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022 Posted: 12 Jan 2022, 16:00 |
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6 iterations in 20 years is definitely impressive for the GA piston fleet. I don't think, aside from G1000 screens, air conditioning, and standby instruments, the 36 series has changed at all in 20 + years.
Now a lot of the G (n+1) changes appear to be superficial, however 9 knots is not something I'd complain about!
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