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 Post subject: Cirrus G6 2022
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Cirrus introduced the new 2022 model yesterday. In the video the talk about some improvements, usb, lights, luggage door, new colors etc. However what impressed me the most is a gain of (up to) 9 kts in cruise due to an aerodynamic clean up. That is very impressive if it holds true.

I´ve never been in a Cirrus but it looks pretty nice.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022
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And would you look at that, it also has those problematic LED ice lights that do not actually melt any ice :ohno:


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However what impressed me the most is a gain of (up to) 9 kts in cruise due to an aerodynamic clean up.

So for 20+ years, they left 9 knots of drag on the design that they only found now, or chose to ignore until now?

No wonder the Columbia/Corvalis was faster.

9 knots is lot for a "clean up". Speed improvement claims have a long history of over promising and under delivering.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022
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New lights and colors and USB? Great.

What have they been doing all this time? How about improvements that are actually useful for a plane? Like pressurization, retract, 6 seats, etc.

It's almost like manufacturers have forgotten how to bring new planes to market.


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New lights and colors and USB? Great.

What have they been doing all this time? How about improvements that are actually useful for a plane? Like pressurization, retract, 6 seats, etc.

It's almost like manufacturers have forgotten how to bring new planes to market.


I think that's called the SF50 Vision Jet.


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New lights and colors and USB? Great.

What have they been doing all this time? How about improvements that are actually useful for a plane? Like pressurization, retract, 6 seats, etc.

It's almost like manufacturers have forgotten how to bring new planes to market.


I think that's called the SF50 Vision Jet.

Right, but that doesn't help owners who don't want to spend millions on getting a capability that was available at a fraction of that price from the major manufacturers 40 years ago.

Where's the innovation? A Cessna 210 did all of these things and was widely and relatively cheaply available decades ago. Given modern manufacturing and materials technology, true innovation would show us something new like that. Not a massively more expensive alternative. That's easy.

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And yet, they’ll sell as many as they can make. I don’t think they’ve forgotten much about how to bring a plane to market.

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Right, but that doesn't help owners who don't want to spend millions on getting a capability that was available at a fraction of that price from the major manufacturers 40 years ago.

Where's the innovation? A Cessna 210 did all of these things and was widely and relatively cheaply available decades ago. Given modern manufacturing and materials technology, true innovation would show us something new like that. Not a massively more expensive alternative. That's easy.


Have you seen the price tag of a new A36, Cessna 172, or PA-28? If Cessna came out with a new Cessna P210, it would probably be $1 million plus. Believe me I get it, I can't believe there are that many pilots looking to spend $500+k on a light GA aircraft. I'm certainly not!


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However what impressed me the most is a gain of (up to) 9 kts in cruise due to an aerodynamic clean up.

So for 20+ years, they left 9 knots of drag on the design that they only found now, or chose to ignore until now?

No wonder the Columbia/Corvalis was faster.

9 knots is lot for a "clean up". Speed improvement claims have a long history of over promising and under delivering.

Mike C.


How many knots would you guess are hidden away in a C182 o a BE36?

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus G6 2022
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Right, but that doesn't help owners who don't want to spend millions on getting a capability that was available at a fraction of that price from the major manufacturers 40 years ago.

Where's the innovation? A Cessna 210 did all of these things and was widely and relatively cheaply available decades ago. Given modern manufacturing and materials technology, true innovation would show us something new like that. Not a massively more expensive alternative. That's easy.


Have you seen the price tag of a new A36, Cessna 172, or PA-28? If Cessna came out with a new Cessna P210, it would probably be $1 million plus. Believe me I get it, I can't believe there are that many pilots looking to spend $500+k on a light GA aircraft. I'm certainly not!

Agreed. That's my point. Ordinarily, innovation, new materials, improved manufacturing technologies all drive prices down.

Obviously, there's an issue with economies of scale right now since Beechcraft doesn't make many 36s, but Cirrus is at least selling a significant number of planes. I'm disappointed that, given those sales numbers, they can't innovate beyond including USB ports, a wireless door, or other irrelevant "improvements".

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Right, but that doesn't help owners who don't want to spend millions on getting a capability that was available at a fraction of that price from the major manufacturers 40 years ago.

Where's the innovation? A Cessna 210 did all of these things and was widely and relatively cheaply available decades ago. Given modern manufacturing and materials technology, true innovation would show us something new like that. Not a massively more expensive alternative. That's easy.


Have you seen the price tag of a new A36, Cessna 172, or PA-28? If Cessna came out with a new Cessna P210, it would probably be $1 million plus. Believe me I get it, I can't believe there are that many pilots looking to spend $500+k on a light GA aircraft. I'm certainly not!


Cessna/Textron makes the fixed gear version of the 210 and you’re probably at a million out the door by the time you are done with tax, tag and title. That is probably not far off from what a decked out 210 cost in early 1980s dollars.

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How many knots would you guess are hidden away in a C182 o a BE36?
Same as the last year's Cirrus. Up to 9 knots.


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I think there is tons of knots to be had in all piston designs.

Iirc - there was a Malibu cowling that was worth 15-20knots but the cost for all the testing required never saw it see light of day.


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No wonder the Columbia/Corvalis was faster.

9 knots is lot for a "clean up". Speed improvement claims have a long history of over promising and under delivering.

Mike C.[/quote]

No place on the web site is the performance chart that I can find documenting what conditions and altitude this speed may be available. IF it is real then show us. If anyone can find that documented, I'd love to see it.

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6 iterations in 20 years is definitely impressive for the GA piston fleet. I don't think, aside from G1000 screens, air conditioning, and standby instruments, the 36 series has changed at all in 20 + years.

Now a lot of the G (n+1) changes appear to be superficial, however 9 knots is not something I'd complain about!


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