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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 25 Dec 2021, 14:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: How do you get an object to orbit a point like that? I understand orbiting a body with mass, but an empty (and moving) point in space? Is it possible for a layperson to understand?
From NASA summary: Lagrange points are positions in space where objects sent there tend to stay put. At Lagrange points, the gravitational pull of two large masses precisely equals the centripetal force required for a small object to move with them. These points in space can be used by spacecraft to reduce fuel consumption needed to remain in position.
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/ ... nge-point/
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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 25 Dec 2021, 15:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: I understand orbiting a body with mass, but an empty (and moving) point in space? Is it possible for a layperson to understand? An object at the L2 Lagrange point (or at any of the other 4 Lagrange points) is not orbiting that point, but rather orbiting the Sun-Earth system at or near that point. L2 is dynamically unstable (as are L1 and L3)—the gravitational gradient appears as a broad saddleback, rather than a depression like L4 and L5—so any perturbation will grow, not dampen, but only small corrections are needed to keep an object within that area.
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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 25 Dec 2021, 16:27 |
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Username Protected wrote: I understand orbiting a body with mass, but an empty (and moving) point in space? Is it possible for a layperson to understand? [youtube]https://youtu.be/7PHvDj4TDfM[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 25 Dec 2021, 16:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: How do you get an object to orbit a point like that? I understand orbiting a body with mass, but an empty (and moving) point in space? Is it possible for a layperson to understand?
If I understand correctly Eric is asking how does the telescope orbit around L2, not how does it stay near L2, which I think is the question the previous responses are answering. I am interested as well.
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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 25 Dec 2021, 17:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: If I understand correctly Eric is asking how does the telescope orbit around L2, not how does it stay near L2, which I think is the question the previous responses are answering. I am interested as well. It's the same thing. At L4 or L5 the gravitational and inertial forces combine to generate a pus towards the Lagrange point when an object is near that so even if something displaces it a little it will come back on it's own. At L2 the combined forces in the equatorial plane near the Lagrange point push away from the point but that force is very weak as long as you're close (and close is pretty far when you're a million miles from Earth) so it doesn't require much energy to remain in place even if you're deliberately offset from the center of the point a little.
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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 26 Dec 2021, 13:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm pretty sure it listens to the dit-dah, dah-dit, and when it gets the aural null, it's in position. How many objects can occupy spots in these parking lots? Is there a protocol for positions?
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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 26 Dec 2021, 13:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm pretty sure it listens to the dit-dah, dah-dit, and when it gets the aural null, it's in position. How many objects can occupy spots in these parking lots? Is there a protocol for positions?
Bob,
My comment was in jest, but your question is a good one. My space technology knowledge is very limited, but I would imagine that such operations are coordinated among the various space agencies around the world.
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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 26 Dec 2021, 14:59 |
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By the way, why is there gravity? Seems like the whole universe operates on it
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Post subject: Re: James Web Telescope Posted: 26 Dec 2021, 19:41 |
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Same for electro-weak force (which is mostly the electric and magnetic forces you are used to, but with the "weak" nuclear force added on - I mean who ordered that. Then strong nuclear force. Why 3 forces? Are they really just 1 force (the way electromagnetism and weak force used to be thought separate)? I think physics is still in the "what" phase, not yet ready for "why" - if why actually has any meaning. Its certainly useful to have all 3 forces - without any of them we wouldn't be having this discussion - which brings up the horrors of the anthropoic principal. Back to gravity: The general relativity explanation is that mass and energy distort spacetime and objects take the straightest like through it that they can. Username Protected wrote: By the way, why is there gravity? Seems like the whole universe operates on it
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