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Looks like a clipped-wing One Design, with modified pointed tail and an M-14P radial. Very cool airplane. Are you sure it's a horizontally opposed Lycoming in that thing?? Big prop! :scratch:


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This is true, Norman. Good catch! :thumbup: I’m still not 100% convinced that it’s a horizontally opposed engine though. I read something somewhere years ago about this “Vortex” thing (w/ pictures)… just can’t remember where.


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I’m still trying to help my friend on this plane. I got to look at it last Friday. It has an AEIO-540-D4B5, and a new MT 3 blade prop. So far he doesn’t have the log books. From what I can see the engine probably has very little time on it. The paperwork we found with the plane lists it as a Vortex S/n 010 built in st Augustine fl in 1994. Any ideas on what the engine and prop are worth without logbooks?


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I’m still trying to help my friend on this plane. I got to look at it last Friday. It has an AEIO-540-D4B5, and a new MT 3 blade prop. So far he doesn’t have the log books. From what I can see the engine probably has very little time on it. The paperwork we found with the plane lists it as a Vortex S/n 010 built in st Augustine fl in 1994. Any ideas on what the engine and prop are worth without logbooks?


That is a likely very old OH on that engine. Dick retired many years ago and passed three years ago.

He was one of the best engine builders and did a lot of high performance engines for aerobatics. Monty Barrett flowed his cylinders back then. Dick did my Aztec engines. He Started Firewall Forward that was sold but he continued to do engines under Demar’s Aero in the mid nineties.

It may not be eligible for installation on a certified aircraft. Dick did performance mods for experimentals. He used to buy all of my counter rotating Lycomings. The crank journals were drilled at a different angle and he pretty well proved that it did not matter. He also raised compression and used his own grind cams. Looks like he installed his own data tag on the sump in place of the original. If so, then definitely only eligible to use in experimental category but a very good engine.


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About 40 years ago, I met a gentleman who was building a 7/8 scale Bearcat on the south side of Chicago. This looks a lot like it. It was a one off. He was also planning on building a 7/8 scale PBY. He was in his early eighties. He had a grandson who would be about 50 now named Eric White who went to Embry Riddle in Daytona and inherited the project. He went on to fly F-16s in the USAF. This looks a lot like what I saw in a garage 40ish years ago.

The 1994 St Augustine date would align with place and time when Eric was just down the road in Daytona.


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He also raised compression and used his own grind cams.


The 325hp on the data plate makes me think it's a higher compression than a factory engine. The certified AEIO-540 in the Extra 300 is 300hp and I think those 300hp motors are 8.7:1. If you want more than that in a certified airplane I think you need the AEIO-580.

Mike Heuer, former IAC President, is like a walking encyclopedia of aerobatics. He might know more about this airplane.


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any one have an email address for Mike Heuer? I'd like to find out more about the plane so we can put it up for sale.

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I found an old thread on an RC forum that has posts from one of the original plane's former pilots, and he knew the builder.

It was originally a Kraft Super Fli. Kraft sold the plan to Ian Padden, who was a former member of the British aerobatic team. Padden made significant modifications, which made it look like a Sukhoi (as we see it now). You can see that the gear is totally different, as are the cowl, canopy, and turtle deck. The fuselage was originally tube and fabric, but now looks like it's covered in metal.

There doesn't seem to be much history of it flying after that. It makes me wonder if its flying qualities weren't that good or if something happened to Padden (or Lewis, whose name is painted on the plane) that made them park it. The discussion of its flying qualities says that it was heavy, and they switched to a fixed pitch prop and removed the starter and alternator to save weight. I wonder if the added weight from the mods negated performance gains from the bigger engine.

There's mention of it in the August 2010 issue of the IAC magazine. You'll have to search for it as there doesn't seem to be a shareable link, but the full PDF is available.

Here's the RC forum thread. The pilot who knows the plane posts under the handle Thumb Thumb. https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/airpla ... built.html


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any one have an email address for Mike Heuer? I'd like to find out more about the plane so we can put it up for sale.

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Andy


No but I just sent him a Facebook message. Will report back.


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Thanks, this was more than we found anywhere on the plane. If anyone is interested in buying the plane its going to be for sale from the estate.

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I found an old thread on an RC forum that has posts from one of the original plane's former pilots, and he knew the builder.

It was originally a Kraft Super Fli. Kraft sold the plan to Ian Padden, who was a former member of the British aerobatic team. Padden made significant modifications, which made it look like a Sukhoi (as we see it now). You can see that the gear is totally different, as are the cowl, canopy, and turtle deck. The fuselage was originally tube and fabric, but now looks like it's covered in metal.

There doesn't seem to be much history of it flying after that. It makes me wonder if its flying qualities weren't that good or if something happened to Padden (or Lewis, whose name is painted on the plane) that made them park it. The discussion of its flying qualities says that it was heavy, and they switched to a fixed pitch prop and removed the starter and alternator to save weight. I wonder if the added weight from the mods negated performance gains from the bigger engine.

There's mention of it in the August 2010 issue of the IAC magazine. You'll have to search for it as there doesn't seem to be a shareable link, but the full PDF is available.

Here's the RC forum thread. The pilot who knows the plane posts under the handle Thumb Thumb. https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/airpla ... built.html


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