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 Post subject: Where To Go For Hot-Section Inspection on Conquest
PostPosted: 12 Oct 2021, 14:12 
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A few months ago, I posted I was going to swap my 425 Conquest for a B200. Instead, we upgraded our condo in Colorado for a bigger one. So now I'm facing a hot-section inspection, due in 138 hours or about four months.

My friend with a 425 suggests I start looking for a facility now. He says he is currently getting hosed by Dallas Airmotive on his -135's.

This will be the third HSI for these engines - PT6A-112's. Engine times are:

TSMOH – 5060 (both engines)
TS Hots – 1661.3

I am told to expect a repair bill between $150K to $200K per engine.

Considering this is a 36 year-old airplane on it's third HSI, where is the best place to go for this inspection?

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 Post subject: Re: Where To Go For Hot-Section Inspection on Conquest
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I’d recommend Prime Turbines. There’s no reason to use a DOF for a 40 yr old conquest.

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 Post subject: Re: Where To Go For Hot-Section Inspection on Conquest
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Try Air Force turbines in Texas. I’ve found them to be a very reasonable pt6 shop.

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 Post subject: Re: Where To Go For Hot-Section Inspection on Conquest
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Call Tom Welch at 208-596-0647

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 Post subject: Re: Where To Go For Hot-Section Inspection on Conquest
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I am told to expect a repair bill between $150K to $200K per engine.

Considering this is a 36 year-old airplane on it's third HSI, where is the best place to go for this inspection?

You may want to check with Blackhawk about upgrading to -135s. I've been told that given their relatively generous trade-in valuations plus increase in aircraft value it can be a pretty good deal.

That said.... I've not spec'd it out personally, this is merely rumor.... But it's a thought for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Where To Go For Hot-Section Inspection on Conquest
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Specialty Turbine Service in Pennsylvania. Paul Jones. You do have a spec sheet built up for each engine, don’t you? If so, it’s much easier to quantify going in.
Dallas Airmotive was bought by competitor Standard Aero earlier this year, effectively shrinking the MRO engine biz some more. The purchase price was reported to have been 230mm. Dallas Airmotive annual rev was approximately 500mm. You can expect the new entity to need to service that expense. Call Paul.

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 Post subject: Re: Where To Go For Hot-Section Inspection on Conquest
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I spoke with David Ponce at Prime Turbines in Dallas.

They will come to my hangar, remove the engines and reinstall them two weeks later (so he claims). He said for me to budget about $50K for each engine.

Sounds like a deal to me.

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 Post subject: Re: Where To Go For Hot-Section Inspection on Conquest
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You may want to check with Blackhawk about upgrading to -135s. I've been told that given their relatively generous trade-in valuations plus increase in aircraft value it can be a pretty good deal.

West Star told me if I could find used -135A engines, they would install them under the Blackhawk STC for $35K plus the cost of installation.

If I could find a pair of -135A's with fresh Hots for $250K each, plus about $100K for the STC plus installation, that would be about $600K. I figure the airplane is worth around $600K as it is now with fresh Hots on the -112's.

I just don't think the airplane would be worth $1.2M after I did all that. I'm thinking more like $700-$800K. What are your thoughts?

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I just don't think the airplane would be worth $1.2M after I did all that. I'm thinking more like $700-$800K. What are your thoughts?

I don’t know the Conquest market, so you’d need to look around and see if there was a comparable of some sort. But… it’s conceivable that valuation might be possible. Used to be.

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Conquest prices have been going up. They are asking $925k for this non Blackhawk airplane: https://www.controller.com/listing/for- ... p-aircraft

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You may want to check with Blackhawk about upgrading to -135s. I've been told that given their relatively generous trade-in valuations plus increase in aircraft value it can be a pretty good deal.

West Star told me if I could find used -135A engines, they would install them under the Blackhawk STC for $35K plus the cost of installation.

If I could find a pair of -135A's with fresh Hots for $250K each, plus about $100K for the STC plus installation, that would be about $600K. I figure the airplane is worth around $600K as it is now with fresh Hots on the -112's.

I just don't think the airplane would be worth $1.2M after I did all that. I'm thinking more like $700-$800K. What are your thoughts?


My buddy is got his back after the first buyer decided he found a cheaper plane, he did the engines and put 5 blade props on, new buyer signed for 1.2m today.

Two years ago he was offered $700k cash. He turned it down. If your P&I and Avionics are updated then putting $$ into the engines will pay back.
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