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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 14:09 |
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Anyone here get a DC3 type? Curious about the experience and where you did it.
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 15:48 |
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Joined: 10/03/15 Posts: 246 Post Likes: +308 Location: Manti-Ephraim Airport (41U) Utah
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You folks are totally amazing! I knew somebody here would answer my question, but I had no idea I would get all these details. Flying Papaya!
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 17:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: You folks are totally amazing! I knew somebody here would answer my question, but I had no idea I would get all these details.
I saw your question within a few moments of it being posted. I was about to reply " not a DC-3," but thought no, somebody else will soon know what it is. We weren't disappointed.
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 17:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone here get a DC3 type? Curious about the experience and where you did it. I've been flying the Goonie Bird off and on for 35 years. I am an examiner on it as well. It is an absolutely wonderful airplane to fly! It has so much personality, and will do anything you ask of it, and if you try to push it around, it will push back. It also does a wonderful job of segregating the drivers, pilots, and aviators, just as well as the Beech-18, T-6, or Cessna -195, but without nearly as much excitement. As to where to get a type, I strongly discourage people from getting a type rating straight out. Unless you are going to actually fly the airplane, going and getting a 5 or 10 hour type rating, that in now way qualifies you to act as P.I.C. in the airplane is just wrong IMHO. If you want to fly a Goonie Bird, find a museum that operates one, get involved, do the work, and you will find yourself in the right seat. Then when you are actually qualified and capable of flying the airplane, give me a call, and I will give you a checkride. The CAF has several of them scattered around the country and several of them need pilots. By that I mean, people who have good basic flying skills, are willing to commit weekends to going to events with the airplane, and are willing to do other tasks within the unit. There is much greater reward in serving than being served.
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 19:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone here get a DC3 type? Curious about the experience and where you did it. I've been flying the Goonie Bird off and on for 35 years. I am an examiner on it as well. It is an absolutely wonderful airplane to fly! It has so much personality, and will do anything you ask of it, and if you try to push it around, it will push back. It also does a wonderful job of segregating the drivers, pilots, and aviators, just as well as the Beech-18, T-6, or Cessna -195, but without nearly as much excitement. As to where to get a type, I strongly discourage people from getting a type rating straight out. Unless you are going to actually fly the airplane, going and getting a 5 or 10 hour type rating, that in now way qualifies you to act as P.I.C. in the airplane is just wrong IMHO. If you want to fly a Goonie Bird, find a museum that operates one, get involved, do the work, and you will find yourself in the right seat. Then when you are actually qualified and capable of flying the airplane, give me a call, and I will give you a checkride. The CAF has several of them scattered around the country and several of them need pilots. By that I mean, people who have good basic flying skills, are willing to commit weekends to going to events with the airplane, and are willing to do other tasks within the unit. There is much greater reward in serving than being served.
That's great advice. Thanks Doug. It's not an airplane on my bucket list by any means but it's such an iconic airplane it would fun to spend a couple hours in it even in the right seat.
_________________ Travel Air B4000, Waco UBF2,UMF3,YMF5, UPF7,YKS 6, Fairchild 24W, Cessna 120 Never enough!
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 20:03 |
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Joined: 08/28/11 Posts: 1712 Post Likes: +1701 Company: N/A - Retired Location: Southern AZ / South Carolina
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone here get a DC3 type? Curious about the experience and where you did it. Completely at the other end of the aviation spectrum from Doug R. Back in 1970 I was in need of an ATP and Uncle Sam was paying 90% of aviation training. I found a “school” which offer the ATP and a DC-3 type. Old timers may remember an “Airline” training organization in Griffin, GA. Long story, longer I had a great time flying the Goon for a few hours and walked away with a DC-3 type. Chapter 2: Fun to fly - fun to have on my certificate - A DC-3 type has had ZERO affect on my career. chapter 2A: Having now done and administered Type rides, I shake my head slowly from side to side and wonder how I ever got either rating from that experience. That was not what I would call ATP standards.
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 21:42 |
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Username Protected wrote: Anyone here get a DC3 type? Curious about the experience and where you did it. Here is Matt Guthmiller getting a SIC in a dc3: https://youtu.be/PeikTiQgylQ
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 10 Oct 2021, 22:12 |
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If we're going to share DC-3 videos, here's one from the Paris Airshow in 2019. I am politely asking the old girl for some fairly tight turns in the tiny little space that is the airshow box at Le Bourget.
And BTW, when I come around the corner and roll wings level on a very short final, at an airshow, I never correct for the centerline. The crowd can't see if I'm on the center, but they can see if I correct. Getting a French display authorization and flying at The Paris airshow was pretty cool.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/ppZNnSvoXt8[/youtube]
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 11 Oct 2021, 20:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Looks like a Convair CV-240. The Flying Papayas from Aviateca. Guatemala’s national airline. They had DC-3, DC-4 and convairs. I flew as a kid on a Aviateca 727. My first jet ride as a kid. Aviateca was taken over by Taca ( El Salvador) which eventually became Avianca. Rgs Patrick
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 11 Oct 2021, 21:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: If we're going to share DC-3 videos, here's one from the Paris Airshow in 2019. I am politely asking the old girl for some fairly tight turns in the tiny little space that is the airshow box at Le Bourget.
And BTW, when I come around the corner and roll wings level on a very short final, at an airshow, I never correct for the centerline. The crowd can't see if I'm on the center, but they can see if I correct. Getting a French display authorization and flying at The Paris airshow was pretty cool.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/ppZNnSvoXt8[/youtube] Doug this is a really cool video. How come the prop controls are pulled all the way back to what I would think is basically the feather position on final and then pushed back to high RPM just before touchdown?
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Post subject: Re: DC-3? Posted: 11 Oct 2021, 21:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: Doug this is a really cool video. How come the prop controls are pulled all the way back to what I would think is basically the feather position on final and then pushed back to high RPM just before touchdown? First off, the prop controls don't feather the props, that is done electrically with a button. Further more, I was high and fast, so to prevent having the props drive the engines Pulling th re props back to full coarse pitch allows you to pull the throttles back farther. You heard the time warnings, that was to be down and clear.
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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