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 Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly
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Nice! Hope she’s as impressed with it as you are ;-)

What tires do those use on the mains?


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OK, should I modernize the panel for her with a G3X touch and Garmin autopilot or let her learn on steam? If you asked me 5 years ago, I would have said steam for sure. Not sure I believe that anymore.


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. The ratty 172 scares me a bit actually.


Two of the safest singles flying are the DA40, Which if my kids want to learn to fly, would be my preference. But the statistics on the Cessna 172 are almost as good. Certainly better than some of the other ones mentioned, about 0.52 fatals per 100K hours. And I would guess, very commonly flown by the bottom half of the skill pool. Ratty or not, statistics don’t lie, the 172 is a hard plane for bad pilots to kill.

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OK, should I modernize the panel for her with a G3X touch and Garmin autopilot or let her learn on steam? If you asked me 5 years ago, I would have said steam for sure. Not sure I believe that anymore.


G3X and do both?


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OK, should I modernize the panel for her with a G3X touch and Garmin autopilot or let her learn on steam? If you asked me 5 years ago, I would have said steam for sure. Not sure I believe that anymore.


I would let her start on steam. IMHO, when flying VFR, eyes 90% outside, it is easier to make quick glances or use peripheral vision to see deviations in needles than it is with digits and tapes.

Also, the DPE may expect her to know how to use the equipment in the plane. There is WAY more functionality to learn and get quizzed on with a G3x vs zero option steam gauges. KISS!


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I agree with Matt... ish.

G3X and an autopilot is a big leap in functionality, and the DPE has the right to ask her to demonstrate all of it.

I do think there's value in starting primary training with an EFIS, though. A pair of G5s or GI275s would be a good upgrade, and allow for an easy addition of a new autopilot later on.

But don't send her new toy to the shop for too long :-)


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OK, should I modernize the panel for her with a G3X touch and Garmin autopilot or let her learn on steam? If you asked me 5 years ago, I would have said steam for sure. Not sure I believe that anymore.


Do you want her to be flying or have the plane in the shop for six months? Nice looking plane!

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OK, should I modernize the panel for her with a G3X touch and Garmin autopilot or let her learn on steam? If you asked me 5 years ago, I would have said steam for sure. Not sure I believe that anymore.


Do you want her to be flying or have the plane in the shop for six months? Nice looking plane!


I forgot this point, but it is a big one! If she is excited to learn, get her started ASAP! Making her wait on a panel upgrade has a lot of downside, and the way good shops are backed up right now, she could earn her PPL before you even get it into a shop for a new panel.

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I know opinions vary, but my feeling is that a PPL is mostly about understanding how the airplane flies, and buttonology should be minimized.

Until you are flying in IMC, failure of airmanship is far more likely to kill you than failure to use the electronics correctly.

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OK, should I modernize the panel for her with a G3X touch and Garmin autopilot or let her learn on steam? If you asked me 5 years ago, I would have said steam for sure. Not sure I believe that anymore.


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Keep it steam. Keep it easy. I earned my commercial and CFI in a Gutless Cutlass about twenty years ago as well. I enjoyed the plane.


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IMHO,
Back to basics. what is your primary objective? having something for her to learn in that is simple, available anytime, and hers when she wants it or do you want to make it what you want to fly.

This is her journey not yours. and staying out of the way unless she asks for something is usually the best action.

she needs to learn in her style.


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Back to basics. what is your primary objective? having something for her to learn in that is simple, available anytime, and hers when she wants it or do you want to make it what you want to fly.

This is her journey not yours. and staying out of the way unless she asks for something is usually the best action.

she needs to learn in her style.


Great advice! She’s doing 20 hours in the rental airplane and learning to land first before moving on to the RG


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Sweet. How did you find the RG? I agree with the approach that a fancy panel isn’t needed for learning to fly - the focus needs to be on airplane control and basics, not learning GPS. But, for starting advanced ratings (full-fledged instrument training) it would be nice.

I know you said your current instructor can’t do tailwheel…so once she gets her ticket do her a favor and send her somewhere for a few or more days where she can get the endorsement and wrinkle out all the bad habits pilots can get away with in a 172. Besides, that, it should be terribly fun and rewarding!


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Nice! Hope she’s as impressed with it as you are ;-)

What tires do those use on the mains?


15 x 6.00-6 at around 60psi


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Nice, I got my commercial in one as well. As you well know keep a close eye on the power pack and saddle condition. More than one gear up from these issues.


Keep an eye on the gear actuator housings under the rear seat - we visually inspect and verify bolt torque every 100hr. We've had 2 fail, this one lasted 1279.9 hours & they're $5500 a pop. When they fail they spread open enough for the actuator shaft teeth to jump a tooth on the gear leg. 1st time it happened CFI & student heard a bang when the gear came up and RH gear wouldn't come down and lock. 2nd time LH gear leg wouldn't fully retract but it did come down and lock OK.

Also keep an eye on the RH gear leg tunnel - it receives the benefit of engine exhaust and is a potential location for corrosion plus the gear well fittings in the aft lower area of the baggage floor are prone to cracking.


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