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 Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly
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I have not looked at single engines in a while but there’s literally nothing to buy for a reasonable price except Bellanca Vikings! I flew one once and really liked it. Probably a terrible trainer but still a great value for what it does. My search was brand non discriminatory.

I could have sworn pretty Archers were $60k 2 years ago but now run outs are $120k. Something will pop I imagine with patience.


Mike, You have a Keen Eye for very Nice Aircraft, did you see that 172 Ten Days ago? Right here on BT :bugeye: Sold in a Few Hours :D


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 Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly
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That is a good point - depends on how tall she is.

A 152 is not a bad choice - they are really quite fun to fly and I think some are OK for spin training.

The PA28s are good too.

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My point was that the panel height and control forces, particularly on a 172 are often a problem for women flight students as I have repeatedly seen.


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my view from your description is: she wants to learn to fly and if I were in your shoes with adequate resources money is not the objective in this situation. I would bite the bullet and get the right aircraft as the first experiences are incredibly important that they be good ones and using a cheap, not good trainer will really get in the way of her enjoying the experience.

Go buy the Archer and get her started. as I have found, having a supportive spouse for my crazy hobbies is incredibly great.

IMHO you want her to spend her time flying and not dealing with difficult to fly aircraft, having a difficult time scheduling time (rental situation) or an aircraft that breaks down.

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I have not looked at single engines in a while but there’s literally nothing to buy for a reasonable price except Bellanca Vikings! I flew one once and really liked it. Probably a terrible trainer but still a great value for what it does. My search was brand non discriminatory.

I could have sworn pretty Archers were $60k 2 years ago but now run outs are $120k. Something will pop I imagine with patience.


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I like the Warrior for starting out, very forgiving. Yes I know, plenty of other choices, just throwing it out.


I like the idea of a flying club or partnership if it’s a viable option.


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My wife is interested in learning to fly as well although I'm not sure that she is 100% committed. Either way, with two little kids (ages 2 and 3), now isn't the right time for her to start...

But having gone from a Cirrus where she could at least get the family down safely if I had the fish to Citation Mustang where she has no real chance of getting it down in one piece, I would be very glad if she was a pilot.

Anyway, at some point I'll be going through the same calculus and I think I'll probably have her train in an SR22. She has a lot of right seat time in one (although usually she was reading a book or dealing with kids) so it will be familiar and ultimately neither of us have any real use for 110 kt trainer flying so even though I did all my primary training in a C152, I don't think she needs to.


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Tell her she takes her own a$$ to each lesson and pays from her trust and doesn't get any landings when you're onboard.


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Tarver- I’d go with the Cirrus SR20. Capable, relatively forgiving and modern. The chute doesn’t hurt either for peace of mind- More so for her. Good platform from which to learn and to step up within your fleet as well. We’ve used it in our family as a primary trainer with great results.


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Vashon Ranger R7 ?

Nosewheel, affordable new, standard aircraft engine, glass panel. Take a look.


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Vashon Ranger R7 ?

Nosewheel, affordable new, standard aircraft engine, glass panel. Take a look.


You're right, that's a neat machine!


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Vashon Ranger R7 ?

Nosewheel, affordable new, standard aircraft engine, glass panel. Take a look.

That looks really nice and doesn't appear to be flimsy like so many LSA’s. Starts at $119k


https://vashonaircraft.com/ranger.php#


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So I bought her a low time 172rg and flew it home from Indiana. It checked a lot of boxes: new interior, garmin, 345, autopilot, engine monitor, complex but not that complex. I got my commercial and CFI and one of these 20 years ago, these are undervalued machines. 135kts TAS at 11 ish GPH with 60 gallons. It’s a useful machine. Navomatic is actually mostly functional. Can she handle a slightly more complex machine…I am confident she can.


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Nice, I got my commercial in one as well. As you well know keep a close eye on the power pack and saddle condition. More than one gear up from these issues.


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Nice, I got my commercial in one as well. As you well know keep a close eye on the power pack and saddle condition. More than one gear up from these issues.


Yes totally. This bird has 3500 hrs since new and I inspected the saddles diligently. It should be ok.


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Nice, congrats!


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That photo of the 172 and Citation together reminds me of those Russian doll sets!

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