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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 19:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tell her to get as job Lol, she does A OK on her own. Crypto coin wizard and a dentist.
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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 19:50 |
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Joined: 11/06/20 Posts: 1316 Post Likes: +1302 Location: Tulsa, OK - KRVS
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If you think she will be sitting up front and flying what you're selling, I would start her in an SR20. She needs to get used to the glass, the A/P, the low wing, and the speeds. She can use the same platform from PP through Instrument.
This is what my wife is doing. We have a club here w/ a few Cirri so she is able to rent while learning.
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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 20:41 |
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Joined: 07/16/11 Posts: 949 Post Likes: +422 Location: Fitchburg MA, MA (KFIT)
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My wife decided to get her license after many years as a passenger. She was motivated by the thought that I could be incapacitated and something would happen to the children! We decided to create a partnership with 3 others and found a 140 Cherokee with basic 1972 avionics package. She was quickly bitten with the bug and now we have to negotiate who is flying what leg of the flight! She feels there was a lot of value in keeping it simple. She focused on hand flying and using an iPad with ForeFlight. She even went on and got her instrument ticket in the same airplane with just a pair of VORs (and I made the ADF inop for her! . ) This was 2.5 years ago. Agreed on not teaching her yourself... . I did a lot of flying with her between lessons to build her confidence but I made sure the instructor knew that was the plan. She learned to use the GTN 750 while flying with me in the Bonanza so no worry about learning GPS approaches etc. We have hung onto the partnership so she has something she feels comfortable flying herself. I would have loved to find a Tiger but had the same problem - very few on the market... Good luck and if you or she want to discuss further feel free to PM. Jeff .
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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 23:22 |
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Joined: 10/18/11 Posts: 1031 Post Likes: +588
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It sounds like you have the resources, so go buy what you think is best and have her go for It. If it is like I have found with teaching people all kinds of new hobbies, the most important thing is she has fun initially. thus if the Grumman tiger is best, bite the bullet and go for it. Money is not the most important thing by far in this situation. in any event, if it is expensive you can probably get most of your money out if she moves onto something else.
Personally I like Cherokees. a good recent fixed gear warrior or Dakota is what I would look for. simple with a simple panel not huge amounts of glass and a simple panel presentation. in many ways I think a good steam gauge panel is best as each instrument is separate and shows basically one thing and it is easy to figure out what each one is important for.
If she is a dentist she is used to complex stuff and with all the gadgets a dentist needs to use complex instruments might not be a problem at all.
The number one thing is that the student has fun early on.
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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 02:16 |
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Joined: 06/17/16 Posts: 505 Post Likes: +557 Location: Santa Monica, CA
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Totally up to you, of course, but most of the students who get frustrated and drop out of aviation do so either before the solo or immediately after. They have simply found it too difficult and frustrating. Most who drop out never return. I have particularly seen far too many promising women students drop out because (in my view) the airplane did not suit them.
If she finds the plane difficult to handle because of either the panel height (most common problem) or the control forces, she may get discouraged and quit.
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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 02:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: Totally up to you, of course, but most of the students who get frustrated and drop out of aviation do so either before the solo or immediately after. They have simply found it too difficult and frustrating. Most who drop out never return. I have particularly seen far too many promising women students drop out because (in my view) the airplane did not suit them.
If she finds the plane difficult to handle because of either the panel height (most common problem) or the control forces, she may get discouraged and quit. Maybe, but if the motivating factor is learning to fly to be able to take over if something happens to the husband and save the kids, it's amazing what women are capable of.
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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 08:15 |
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Joined: 09/23/09 Posts: 11890 Post Likes: +10570 Location: Cascade, Idaho (U70)
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Username Protected wrote: Totally up to you, of course, but most of the students who get frustrated and drop out of aviation do so either before the solo or immediately after. They have simply found it too difficult and frustrating. Most who drop out never return. I have particularly seen far too many promising women students drop out because (in my view) the airplane did not suit them.
If she finds the plane difficult to handle because of either the panel height (most common problem) or the control forces, she may get discouraged and quit. This is the biggest reason why I would want only the most highly motivated student to learn in a taildragger. Everyone talks a big story about learning in a TG, but you need a somewhat timid student to have success early. I’ve seen multiple drop outs or near drop outs right at the point described above. Yes, they will make better pilots if they learned in a taildragger.....blah blah blah.....but If they don’t get to the check ride, what did you accomplish? Highly motivated, hang- out-at-the-airport with Dad types learning in a taildragger?........sure. insert anecdotal stories here
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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 08:38 |
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Mike, Unfortunately, I agree with you. Frustration is a big hurdle to a primary student. So, you are fighting two battles, making it easy vs. indoctrinating good habits. I taught the boys to fly in the Cub. By age eleven, they were both proficient. When John Jr. flew his first tri-gear, a 172, at age 14, we were barely off the ground when he said: "This is so easy. Why didn't you teach us in a 172?" When Grant was 14, after three years in the Cub and Decathlon, he said he wanted to fly my Beech 18. I gave him about ten minutes of oral as to what to expect, he took the left seat, and we flew. His wheel landing was text book, and I never touched the controls. But you are right. I tried to teach Karen in the Cub and it never took. She did it, but I darn near got put out of the house after some lessons. It is not only a fine line, but an individual one. Jg
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Post subject: Re: Wife wants to learn to fly Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 09:38 |
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Joined: 09/23/09 Posts: 11890 Post Likes: +10570 Location: Cascade, Idaho (U70)
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Username Protected wrote: Mike, Unfortunately, I agree with you. Frustration is a big hurdle to a primary student. So, you are fighting two battles, making it easy vs. indoctrinating good habits. I taught the boys to fly in the Cub. By age eleven, they were both proficient. When John Jr. flew his first tri-gear, a 172, at age 14, we were barely off the ground when he said: "This is so easy. Why didn't you teach us in a 172?" When Grant was 14, after three years in the Cub and Decathlon, he said he wanted to fly my Beech 18. I gave him about ten minutes of oral as to what to expect, he took the left seat, and we flew. His wheel landing was text book, and I never touched the controls. But you are right. I tried to teach Karen in the Cub and it never took. She did it, but I darn near got put out of the house after some lessons. It is not only a fine line, but an individual one. Jg Trying to coach my spouse during her PPL was a big mistake....for her confidence and our relationship. ( Cfi’s earn every penny) Today, she is quite proficient and she will be starting some basic backcountry skills this week. Confidence is important. I have this wife that can chap the hide off surly wanna-be surgery residents when they rotate through her specialty during internship but confidence in flying was long in coming. A taildragger would have been a deal killer in those early months.
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