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 Post subject: Hughes 500 models (ownership/mx/training)
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Yes, I know it's way off the range here on BT, but hey, this is Brand X Talk™, right?

Hughes 500, ready......GO!

I just flew a friend's 500C and I'm in love! It has the 4-blade head, with the smaller -C18 engine. Burns less fuel and at lower altitudes has better range and nearly the performance of the thirstier -C20 models. I dare say a "bargain"

Specifically interested in a comparison with 206's or others with regard to scheduled mx. I think I remember him saying that none of the components have calendar limits on them (maybe just hours in service), though I could be incorrect.

I'm off to find a winning PowerBall ticket while you folks post. BRB

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My favorite helicopter of all time. Sorry, have no real info, just know it's a pilots helicopter, a little Ferrari. Everyone I've spoken to that's flown them, love them.

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A pilot friend from a family of pilots has a brother with an OH-6 (military version of these, I believe). I think he has a side business that helps to support the fleet.

Send me a PM and I will try to get you connected.

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How much can you travel for training. I’m assuming no rotary now? Recently lost my flight trg mentor - however his 2 pri. recommendations have long been one is better served being power-limited thru training (eg piston then check-out in turbines, much cheaper in addition to the norm. flow though Bell’s factory school is oriented more to owners) & flying multiple aircraft types more quickly develops a skilled pilot. Check out the Guimbal Calibri if you do conversion in pistons….it has force trim like the turbines you’ll fly.

Jetranger: Teetering rotorhead like Robinson (but in high-inertia) and TT strap replacement ($$$); Considered to have outstanding autorotation characteristics; Bell’s factory school has long been known for full-touchdown autorotations and very experienced instructors to my knowledge that remains. For turbines full-touchdown autos are basically Bell 206/MD500 only….there’s a school in Prescott which does outstanding training I can connect you with.

Suggested Reading: The Little Book of Autorotations, and Cyclic & Collective by Shawn Coyle (full disclosure friend & mentor to his passing earlier this year Mr. Hangen can give you an unbiased opinion); Helicopter Aerodynamics by Ray Prouty.

For the MD500 there are several engine ratings from the original base engine up to the latest mark for the MH-6 which as you know goes as the 530 model. Believe there are a couple different options for avionics upgrades now. Welcome to message and I’ll connect you with what resources I can….aka people who actually know what they’re talking about.

Something Shawn Coyle told me on the phone last year, he named his primary work on helicopter flight Cyclic & Collective after Wolfgang Langewiesche’s Stick & Rudder: Both in tribute to, and with the personal goal of creating a RW text that measured to - early this year soliciting input to improve while working on what would’ve been the latest edition. Headed experimental flight test for Transport Canada, couple Corps. incl. Bell IIRC, and RW at USNTPS & NTPS. Why he took daily time for my inane questions is beyond me. Apologies for the sidetrack…..Stay safe,

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One of the coolest looking helicopters of all time. I’m not a natural rotorhead, but if I had the opportunity, I’d take a 500.

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And, of course if it’s T C’s choice it has to be good.

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My favorite helicopter of all time. Sorry, have no real info, just know it's a pilots helicopter, a little Ferrari. Everyone I've spoken to that's flown them, love them.



That would be the 530. :pilot:


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That’s a sweet Swiss 369 with snowshoes.

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I got to try an OH6 on once. Flying it was fine. Hovering, well I looked like a drunk on a unicycle.


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The backseat on the MD is terrible and many have no air conditioning. We ended up with this and it also flies like a Ferrari but has 7 series comfort for passengers. It is so easy and nice to fly. No joke, it could be a primary trainer.


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Miserable to be relegated to the back seat.

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Thats St.Gallen Altenrhein!!

Thats where I live.

You should go a bit further into the valley. To LOIH on the Austrian side.

Let me know if you want to meet for a coffee or a beer.


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I highly recommend reading Low Level Hell, by Hugh Mills. It's a great read about OH-6 Loach scouts in Vietnam, by an author who knows how to tell a story (and describe an aircraft without sounding like the engineer who built it). One certainly comes away from the book with an impression of an immensely strong airframe (photos of hitting a "snag" tree at over 100kts, and the author being shot down three times in one day!). Recently, I completed my A&P syllabus for helicopters, which validated that view of the design - it's a flying roll cage.

Another aspect of the ship that Mills' book conveys is how nimble they are. All swing-wing drivers have heard the Ferrari comparison, with none of that messy hydraulic to wipe up, but two instances in the book come to mind: during initial in-country check out, a senior scout pilot shows then-junior author how to fly right down next to soldiers foot prints to detect which direction troops were moving on the trail; and second, a suspicious rice farmer who dodged being detained was chased down by the helicopter, knocked down into the mud, and the helo's skid positioned across his chest until US troops could make their way through the mud to detain him. Great flying, and great reading.


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