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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 27 Aug 2021, 15:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think Blue Origins has OK technology On paper, maybe. SpaceX is doing it in the real world. Big difference. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 27 Aug 2021, 22:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think Blue Origins has OK technology but lacks the business and marketing sense. Elon said it about his company: It’s a thousand times harder to develop the manufacturing and support infrastructure than it is to design the rocket. I think Jeff is feeling that right now.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 28 Aug 2021, 00:44 |
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Agreed I mostly see Blue Origins in comparison with the posers like Virgin Galactic I think properly managed Blue Origins could do very well, but so far they aren't and with the rumors of an ongoing talent drain they are probably doomed. SpaceX will do well as long as Musk is around, but I suspect it will fail horribly when he leaves / dies. Username Protected wrote: I think Blue Origins has OK technology On paper, maybe. SpaceX is doing it in the real world. Big difference. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 28 Aug 2021, 08:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: SpaceX will do well as long as Musk is around, but I suspect it will fail horribly when he leaves / dies. I doubt it. He has already established the two most important things at each company: culture and team. The culture at SpaceX consists of 3 simple principles from what I can tell: 1. Be audacious Don't hold back, let's dream big even if challenging. Catching a Super Heavy with a tower? That's crazy talk but they are going to try, and if successful, it will be jaw dropping awesome. 2. Failure is an option As long as you learn at each step. This is often the fastest way to get the result you want. 3. Economics matter Think about the economics before you start design. That's why the Falcon 9 uses basically the same engine on first and second stage, and similarly for the Super Heavy and Starship. This is not how the space industry thinks generally. Reusability encompasses all three principles since it is audacious, it fails at first, and it radically changes the economics. Once that culture is set in motion, I think it will survive the loss of Musk at least for some time. Musk isn't doing it all himself. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 28 Aug 2021, 08:41 |
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I’m a huge Elon Musk fan . Not sure how well they will do without Elon at the helm . Blue Origins & Virgin Galactic just flew at really high flight level not that impressive to me.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 28 Aug 2021, 08:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: SpaceX will do well as long as Musk is around, but I suspect it will fail horribly when he leaves / dies.
I strongly disagree with this conjecture. Gwen Shotwell needs a better publicist; but that would probably drive Elon nuts. [youtube]https://youtu.be/K1xWaua-nLI[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 28 Aug 2021, 11:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: Gwen Shotwell needs a better publicist No, she doesn't. Let Musk be the lightning rod and she can work in relative peace. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 05 Sep 2021, 13:26 |
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Elon seems to be one of the few founders that is willing to question any of the assumptions the mission is founded upon in the light of new information. He is willing to let his smart people come up with many solutions and evaluate them with every consideration looked at. I do not see any of the "we should do it that way because that is the way we have been doing it."
for instance his choice to use methane as a fuel has many advantages that at first glance seem to not make it the optimum fuel. but when you look at the total problem it comes out on top.
I would bet on him having a good solution.
whether it is a good place to invest money in is a far different question
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 05 Sep 2021, 17:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would bet on him having a good solution.
whether it is a good place to invest money in is a far different question If I wanted to go to Mars, he's the guy I'd want designing the rocket.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 11 Sep 2021, 20:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thinking about attending the first launch. Anyone familiar with the best viewing areas for Boca China? For the size of that thing, maybe somewhere in New Mexico…
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