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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 12 Sep 2021, 00:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: For the size of that thing, maybe somewhere in New Mexico… :eek: More spectacular than the liftoff and flight would be if they have to abort using FTS (flight termination system). There will be a LOT of stuff raining down from the sky! The empty weight is about 900,000 lbs. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 12 Sep 2021, 13:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: Thinking about attending the first launch. Anyone familiar with the best viewing areas for Boca China? The exclusion zone is likely to extend at least to South Padre island for this launch due to the potential blast radius. There are good views from the beach there, but of course the better the seat the closer you are to the "event". Marcus House goes into some serious speculation and mathematical detail in his video HERE. There's no clear answer, but the presumed worst case would see windows broken on the southern tip of South Padre Island. That would really hurt if you were standing outdoors in the same area. My guess is that the exclusion zone may end just south of that, simply because evacuation of that area would be very difficult. So, I'm expecting the exclusion radius to stop at the inlet to Brazos Santiago Pass and arc south of Port Isabel. The short answer would be "just outside of the exclusion zone", but we don't yet know where that is. Assuming I'm right, the jetty at the end of South Padre Island would be the best location you'll likely get. It is about 8Km (5 SM) from the launch site, so you'll get to see the rocket, but it'll be from a distance, which in this case may be a good thing. I'm a huge SpaceX fan, but I agree with Mike that given all of the variables involved, the chance of a fully successful mission for the entire vehicle system is extremely small. The most important hurdle is to get off the pad and down range over the ocean. After that, you're not going to kill anybody or break anything important. I think the biggest realistic risk is to the launch facility itself if there's an anomaly at or just after launch.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 20:29 |
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NASA burns Blue Origin’s protest of the SpaceX award: Attachment: 338F2AC0-5238-4EBF-9FB5-254383554955.jpeg
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 29 Sep 2021, 22:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: NASA burns Blue Origin’s protest of the SpaceX award:
Ouch! That language is, um, less diplomatic, than one is used to seeing in govt reports…
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 05 Oct 2021, 08:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: There is also the matter that NASA requires the lander to be able to operate in darkness. Blue Origin’s proposal is also deficient in this regard. What, are they using landing lights and flying manually? "can't land in the dark" Thanks for the link.
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Post subject: Re: Starship & Moon Landing Complexity … Posted: 03 Dec 2021, 09:38 |
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Musk worries about SpaceX bankruptcy? Unfortunately, the Raptor production crisis is much worse than it seemed a few weeks ago. As we have dug into the issues following exiting prior senior management, they have unfortunately turned out to be far more severe than was reported. There is no way to sugarcoat this. I was going to take this weekend off, as my first weekend off in a long time, but instead I will be on the Raptor line all night and through the weekend. Unless you have critical family matters or cannot physically return to Hawthorne, we need all hands on deck to recover from what is, quite frankly, a disaster. The consequences for SpaceX if we can’t get enough reliable Raptors made is that we then can’t fly Starship, which means we then can’t fly Starlink Satellite V2 (Falcon has neither the volume *nor* the mass to orbit needed for satellite V2). Satellite V1 by itself is financially weak, whereas V2 is strong. In addition, we are spooling up terminal production to several million units per year, which will consume massive capital, assuming that satellite V2 will be on orbit to handle the bandwidth demand. These terminals will be useless otherwise. What it comes down to is that we face genuine risk of bankruptcy if we cannot achieve a Starship flight rate of at least once every two weeks next year. Thanks, Elon Four days later he explained himself: Attachment: 99B41DB9-C187-4562-ACAF-7563FBC10C7F.jpeg
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