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 Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.
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If you’re strapped into the flight deck and a passenger has to go, you’re going to be very thankful for that cumbersome system and it’s ease of use for the passenger seeking relief

Call it what you want, analyze it however you will, passengers like a flushing button


Pilatus has a flush button.

And a PTT.
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Can it flush into a trash bag type arrangement?

No, here is what it looks like:

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There's a clean fluid compartment and a waste compartment in the removable part.

Doesn't seem like this is really any better than what you propose but my fixture isn't seemingly compatible with the doodie bag concept. I would need to change things somehow.

Mike C.

That's one thing I forgot to look at when I checked out the 501 this summer. I was under the impression you could just line the toilet with a Double Doodie bag. In my case I would disable the flush to avoid any fluid leakage. Would be nice to have a temperature-controlled bidet, but oh well...

However, it's one thing when you're flying with family and another when flying with employees (depending on how understanding they are, but their acquiescence has to be taken with caution). Flying prospective customers to the Caribbean or a hunting trip to North Dakota is a whole 'nother level. Flush toilet all the way.

Maybe you could just hang a "Lavatory Out of Service" sign?
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 Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.
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Pilatus has a flush button.

And a PTT.


What’s the obsession with the PTT in lav on a PC12? The lav is nearly in the cockpit, is a PTT really needed? Or just a hand mic extension cord-

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What’s the obsession with the PTT in lav on a PC12? The lav is nearly in the cockpit, is a PTT really needed? Or just a hand mic extension cord-


The old surfer's adage. You shoulda been here yesterday.

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With the Garmin upgrade in the 550/560 do you have to ballast the nose with the weight reduction?


I'd remove the radar altimeter because the G700 TXi provides GPS derived AGL readouts that serve the same purpose. The radar altimeter is required for the SPZ-500 because it uses that for gain scheduling on approaches (which I find weird).

I'd remove the AC inverters because the only AC devices on the plane are the FD and AP boxes, so there are no AC devices left, thus no need for any AC inverters.

I'm a believer in not having equipment I don't need. That's lighter, simpler, and cheaper.

Also on my list is the CVR. I have a GA100 which weighs 24 lbs and using a mechanical tape loop (think 8 track tape). There is a digital version, FA2100, which is drop in (same connector) and weighs only 8.3 lbs. Someday that tape loop is going to wear out, so this would solve that problem and save 16 lbs in the tail. Not much, but every bit adds up. My goal is to have the lightest Citation V there is. I'm at 9243 lbs empty right now, which is pretty good, and 9100 lbs might be reachable after Garmin autopilot and other changes.

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Can you elaborate about the radar altimeter for the SPZ-500? I used to get a false reading on my radar altimeter and sometimes pulled the circuit breaker. What was I losing besides the radar altimeter function?
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Doubt most MEL/MMEL's allow you to take out seats.

MEL/MMEL are allowances that don't change the W&B, so they won't list removal of a seat.

In the limitations section, the maximum number of seats is specified, but not the minimum.

I believe it would be legal to remove a seat and get a new W&B sign off. I have heard others who think that isn't true.

I know yet others who remove a seat, put in a negative weight at that station equal to the seat weight, and just go fly.

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Can you elaborate about the radar altimeter for the SPZ-500? I used to get a false reading on my radar altimeter and sometimes pulled the circuit breaker. What was I losing besides the radar altimeter function?

The avionics guys at Columbia (now Blackhawk) said I had to keep the radar altimeter because it was tied into the SPZ-500 gain programming for precision approaches. Without the RA, you will get poor tracking performance, or so they said. I've not tried to pull the CB on the RA and see if that is true.

I also question how that works for places like KTEX or KAVP which have serious cliffs at the end of runways.

The SPZ-500 manual says this:

"The glideslope deviation is gain programmed as a function of radio altitude, time, and airspeed. If the radio altimeter is invalid, gain programming is a function of glideslope capture, middle marker, time and airspeed."

Middle markers basically don't exist any more, so it appears that the system reverts to timing after capture adjusted for airspeed.

Seems kind of overly complex if you ask me.

Given the G700 TXi GPS derived AGL readout, which will be more accurate overall, I'd be perfectly happy to remove the RA and save the weight.

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Flushing toilet is 45 lbs. Not too keen on the flushing part with the fluid servicing. I will look into something else at some point, preferably an option not involving fluid.

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Can it flush into a trash bag type arrangement?
I use a double doodie bag and smelleze. Benefit is unlimited amount of bathroom 'space' and easy disposal after each flight. It's coagulant.


This just goes in the FBO garbage? I don’t have kids or pets so I’m almost certainly more embarrassed than most about having to do this.

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Installed GWX 75 with the upgrade. Have not used it a lot, but seems quite nice.

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I'm waffling on the 75 when the plane goes in for the NXi upgrade. I've flown with the current radar (68 GWX) for the past 8 years and it has been ok at best. But then we don't really fly around much convective activity. I was all set to pull the trigger on the 75 until they released the 8000 and that has a few features that make using it a lot more intuitive and hands off. But I'm not certain the 8000 is coming to the G1000 NXi yet as it's only available on the 5000 currently I believe. But I'm willing to wait and see. Does the radar overlay on your map?

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Does the radar overlay on your map?

It is supposed to but I have not tried it yet.

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This just goes in the FBO garbage? I don’t have kids or pets so I’m almost certainly more embarrassed than most about having to do this.

Yes, you just close up the doodie bag and toss it into the trash can on your way into the FBO.

So I have a Sierra mod interior that moves the lav to the side-facing divan, opposite the door. It is a flush lav but from what I can tell the waste hole is larger than in that 560 video. I did place a doodie bag inside the waste container. It works fine, although the bowl still gets pee on it (we only carry friends and family so I can impose a no pooping rule - I make everyone go in the FBO before boarding). If you sprinkle smell-eze around the bowl it doesn't smell, but once you are back home you need to wipe down the bowl which is definitely not glamorous.

That being said, I will not use the blue juice. I have heard horror stories of leaks and corrosion. I would like to get ride of the bowl and just have a bucket but it's low down my list. Our legs are <3 hours so it is rarely used.

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Yes, you just close up the doodie bag and toss it into the trash can on your way into the FBO.

So I have a Sierra mod interior that moves the lav to the side-facing divan, opposite the door. It is a flush lav but from what I can tell the waste hole is larger than in that 560 video. I did place a doodie bag inside the waste container. It works fine, although the bowl still gets pee on it (we only carry friends and family so I can impose a no pooping rule - I make everyone go in the FBO before boarding). If you sprinkle smell-eze around the bowl it doesn't smell, but once you are back home you need to wipe down the bowl which is definitely not glamorous.

That being said, I will not use the blue juice. I have heard horror stories of leaks and corrosion. I would like to get ride of the bowl and just have a bucket but it's low down my list. Our legs are <3 hours so it is rarely used.

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So looks like the toilet seat itself is molded in place. I thought you could lift up the seat and put the top of the bag opening under the seat so it covers the side of the bowl. What you're doing is putting the bag down in the receptacle part itself.

Wonder if you could put another toilet seat or "ring" (the kind they sell along with buckets for those camp toilets) on top of the existing seat, and have the bag opening go between the existing seat and ring. I suppose there might be a risk of leakage, but it would simplify cleanup.

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