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 Post subject: Re: Widgeon Journey
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Mr Rozendaal.
If it’s not too much trouble, may I have some stories on Widgeon flying in Alaska?
How is it ornery? I think my Widgeon is the easiest handling airplane that Inhave ever flown.
I’ve never been to Alaska, and don’t operate on water. Is it the proposing that I have read about?

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I flew the mighty Widgeon up in Alaska. It's ornery reputation is well deserved, but not unmanageable... All I need is more money...


I porpoised my Widgeon once when I first got it and that was 100% because I had no clue what I was doing. The Widgeon porpoise is 100% pilot error and is totally avoidable and fixable. On the land, if you can fly a champ, you can fly a Widgeon. It’s such a great flying airplane.

But yes, a pilot without good water instruction, there’s a virtual certainty of a violent and scary porpoise they caused!

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Mr Rozendaal.
If it’s not too much trouble, may I have some stories on Widgeon flying in Alaska?
How is it ornery? I think my Widgeon is the easiest handling airplane that Inhave ever flown.
I’ve never been to Alaska, and don’t operate on water. Is it the proposing that I have read about?

Jimmy


First off, I have a grand total of 1 short hour in the Widgeon, all on the water.

But in that time I was introduced to porpoising on both sides of the sweet spot. The whole secret is to fly the pitch very precisely. If you push the nose over too soon coming out of the hole, you can find yourself nose high going too slow, and if you let the nose down too far, it will porpoise. The pitch window of proper operation on the water is about 1/2 inch on the bow cleat.

A very cool airplane.

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Mr Rozendaal.
If it’s not too much trouble, may I have some stories on Widgeon flying in Alaska?
How is it ornery? I think my Widgeon is the easiest handling airplane that Inhave ever flown.
I’ve never been to Alaska, and don’t operate on water. Is it the proposing that I have read about?

Jimmy


First off, I have a grand total of 1 short hour in the Widgeon, all on the water.

But in that time I was introduced to porpoising on both sides of the sweet spot. The whole secret is to fly the pitch very precisely. If you push the nose over too soon coming out of the hole, you can find yourself nose high going too slow, and if you let the nose down too far, it will porpoise. The pitch window of proper operation on the water is about 1/2 inch on the bow cleat.

A very cool airplane.


Perfect assessment!

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I have a few porpoise stories from my ownership. I was always able to chop the power and ride it out before anything bad happened. A boat wake or two will be a handful. Mine was a straight hull model, I have read and was told the "A" model is more forgiving. For a while Grumman did some research on the problem, and built a test airplane called the "Petulant Porpoise". The longer hull Goose, Mallard, and Albatross apparently were not so sensitive.

I could easily believe that some of my problems were due to an inadequate checkout from an arrogant seller.

The story is that a porpoise gone too far is what sank Jimmy Buffet's Widgeon.


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Finally got to play on the water some after numerous vintage aircraft setbacks. Currently at about a 7:1 work to fly ratio.


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Finally got to play on the water some after numerous vintage aircraft setbacks. Currently at about a 7:1 work to fly ratio.


Love it! I think yours might have been modified to Cessna 402 cowlings? Also, it’s very unique to have the top doors. I believe this means it was originally delivered to the US Coast Guard.


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I flew the mighty Widgeon up in Alaska. It's ornery reputation is well deserved, but not unmanageable... All I need is more money...


Bigger hangar too Doug :peace: :)

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That's correct, V219 delivered to to the USCG June of 1942 to San Diego. From the research done this is one of 3 of the original 25 CG aircraft still flyable and the only one left with the original hatches. Aircraft has some really interesting history that I hope to document as part of the restoration.


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Are you planning to restore the original color scheme?


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Yes, that's the plan. Although I may take some liberties and use the pre-war scheme. Technically this was delivered with the rather bland gray/silver all over scheme. The pre-war scheme has the yellow wings and red/white/blue rudder.


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These are the two military schemes used for the CG widgeons.


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You probably have the depth charge rack holes and a wire release hole on the right inboard wing


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I've looked it doesn't. It was basically totally rebuilt with new skins, stringers, etc in 1985 and I suspect they no longer saw the need.


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Making a little progress this winter. Removed all of the interior panels and working on the insulation and GLUE. Starting the annual and so far I'm really impressed at the lack of any corrosion.

The brakes are modified from a 1939 Dodge master cylinder. However instead of a cast iron housing Wagner made these out of machined steel and pressed sheet for the reservoir. The insides use the same components and while I was able to find some NOS Wagner rebuild kits the seals don't like MIL-H-5606 mineral fluid. So it was either convert to some sort of off the shelf Parker set up or fire up the lathe and make an owner produced part that will incorporate commercially available Nitrile/Buna-N seals. I'm trying to keep things as original as possible and the work to make the parts is actually probably less than modifying the whole system and trying to get a field approval.

The piston pictured is my prototype in aluminum to check seal operation and clearances. I will clean up the design some, requires inside and outside taper and once all is figured out I'll make two out of bronze.

It's slow going but fun to know I'm setting it up for a long service life.


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