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 Post subject: Re: Carbon Cub vs Husky
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First off, there are a lot of great options in the tandem tail dragger world right now. In 2014, I partnered with my father to buy a new Super Legend with the O-233 Lycoming (115 hp with electronic ignition) and Catto prop. Why Legend?

At the time, I owned a 1949 PA-14 with 150 hp. This is a very rare airplane, and it was about ready for a rebuild. Before that, when I was teenager and into my 20's, we owned a 180 hp Super Cub.

We decided to go light sport because Dad was in his mid-70's and I was ready to go back to tandem. I loved flying the PA-14, but missed flying with an open door. At the time, Carbon Cubs were significantly more expensive (Husky is not light sport and basic med was not yet an option). I went to the Legend factory and met Darin Hart. He understood what we wanted: not a tricked out, overweight, Cub with too many mods-we wanted a simple flyer.

Our shake down cruise was flying the Legend head to head with a 150 hp Super Cub at similar loads from Santa Fe to Ruidosa to Marfa to Fort Worth (with a few other fuel stops). The Legend performed identically to the 150 hp Super Cub-even at altitude.

We have since changed the engine to a Titan O-340. The performance is better for not much more fuel burn in cruise. Take-offs and climb are amazing. It is not quite as delightful on the controls, but still a nice flying Cub. My daughter (now 22 years old) has been flying the Legend for 4 years and loves it.

If I was looking for a fun airplane to teach the family to fly, the original Legend Cub with no-flaps and a O-200 would be on my list. They look like a J-3, but have a PA-18 fuselage that was widened 3-4 inches with doors on both sides. You solo from the front seat. These seem to go in the $70k range.

I would not shy away from the 0-233 Super Legends. Great flyers. Seem to trade in the $120k to $140 range, maybe less. The 0-340 Super Legends trade for more, but still $50k less than a Carbon Cub. Some people trick then out with Garmin G3X touch and autopilots, but I think that defeats the purpose somewhat. We have a panel mounted Garmin 796 that does everything I need for cross country.

I have done many cross countries in Cubs-Fort Worth to Alaska, Maine, Georgia, Colorado many times, and countless time to our place in South Texas. Cub cross countries take a different mind set than any other airplane. You fly low, get beat up by the bumps, sweat, your rear hurts after an hour or so, with any head wind-the ground speed can make a 1956 VW Bug a faster option. However, it is great fun if you are in the mood and not in a hurry.

Finally, I would get my kid into a tail dragger as soon as possible. No reason to start in a 172. They will learn better pilot skills. Make them do partial power take-offs so they learn how to handle it on the runway. Plus it is cool to fly with a stick and the door open.


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The tailwheel CFI is difficult - but not horrible. I have a good friend (who I checked out in tailwheel) who has logged quite a bit of time in my Citabria. Awesome instructor and knows his stuff. When he isn't flying 121 he is going to do the initial training in the Citabria for my boys and then I can take over once they have basic skills down. We can tag team it, but I don't want to do the very initial part or ultimately sign then off - especially to solo.

So, that kind of relieves my initial pain point.

I really appreciate all the comments here - especially about the Carbon Cub.

Reading through all of this, had a bit of a wild hair. Maybe I should find a Scout or Husky that is on amphibious floats. That would be a fun game changer. I would probably do an Icon, but I just don't think it can operate out of Utah reliably.

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Way overpriced IMHO - although it does make my 2001 8GCBC with a tuned engine (producing 174 hp) with a G3X touch, GTN-750, and G5 much more valuable if they get that!

There is a Canadian scout on floats that is available right now, but I don't know if those are amphibious floats and importing an aircraft from Canada when I can't travel there isn't too high on my list of things I need to do...

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For what it's worth, I've owned a number of taildraggers. My favorite is the Scout. More comfortable and better visibility.

I know this topic has been beat to death.

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We’ll beat it further :D
My eyes keep wandering up to anchorage.
How cool to land on water near the lake cottage, take the helio to some way off back country spot.
Get there by landing on a 3000 ft grass strip. Note that I’ve visited Scott’s place in Montana, I’m kinda hooked.

What’s wrong with using a super decathlon as a back country airplane? Too fast on landing?

If so now we need an aerobatic airplane too.

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What’s wrong with using a super decathlon as a back country airplane? Too fast on landing?


Symmetrical airfoil, no flaps, shorter wing. T.O. distance over a 50 ft obstacle is over 1000'. With the same horsepower, the Scout takes off in 60% of that distance with about 100 lbs more useful load.


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I don't know what the cost is but you might want to give Steve Noyes a call about his Super Dogs. He converts stock Birddogs with an O-540, constant speed prop and more. Birddogs are substantially roomier inside than any of the Huskies or Cubs and they're all metal.

Here's a comparison to the Husky. The stock Birddog is also included which is what I have. Mine cruises a bit faster and has a 200lb higher gross weight than what's shown in this chart.
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Must stop looking at this thread, you guys are making me want a taildragger.

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Must stop looking at this thread, you guys are making me want a taildragger.


Oh they are fun - I took my Citabria out for a bit this morning. Pure bliss.

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Neither! To me this is the best two seat tandem aircraft being produced right now even with LSA limitations that are in place. All metal wing, electric retractable slats, double slotted flaps, frise pushrod ailerons, carbon fiber drooped tips, and a FADEC turbocharged port injection engine that has taken the Sling TSi to FL290. All for less than $180K. Can you say game changer?

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Must stop looking at this thread, you guys are making me want a taildragger.


When you graduate then you can join the round engine tail dragger team. Then we’ll know you are truly hooked…. :thumbup: :coffee:

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Neither! To me this is the best two seat tandem aircraft being produced right now even with LSA limitations that are in place. All metal wing, electric retractable slats, double slotted flaps, frise pushrod ailerons, carbon fiber drooped tips, and a FADEC turbocharged port injection engine that has taken the Sling TSi to FL290. All for less than $180K. Can you say game changer?

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Way overpriced IMHO - although it does make my 2001 8GCBC with a tuned engine (producing 174 hp) with a G3X touch, GTN-750, and G5 much more valuable if they get that!


It's a 2012 though with under 400 hrs. A 2001 is a decade older and would probably be in the 100-110k range. There is also 2008 on Barnstormers for 145k. https://www.barnstormers.com/classified ... atid=22222

the 7GCBC is a great airplane.
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Neither! To me this is the best two seat tandem aircraft being produced right now even with LSA limitations that are in place. All metal wing, electric retractable slats, double slotted flaps, frise pushrod ailerons, carbon fiber drooped tips, and a FADEC turbocharged port injection engine that has taken the Sling TSi to FL290. All for less than $180K. Can you say game changer?

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Damn is right, that thing is a beast!!!!
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