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 Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii
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Flying over the mountains in the West - no problem. Long water flight in a single engine piston - I will be paying someone to ferry it over. I have always had a water phobia. Besides the usual need to stretch my legs after 3-4 hours of flying plus take a piss break - what you do if you need to take a number 2 and you're 11 hours from Hilo?


People who do not have their bowel movements in order are not the kind to undertake flights like this.


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 Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii
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I believe there was a previous thread indicating Hawaii was not GA friendly overall. At what point do you decide to keep an airframe you are attached to on the mainland (if you plan to return) or sell and resort to renting for sightseeing. Not sure how a 210 fits into most missions around Hawaii unless they plan to regularly commute between islands.

Disclaimer. This coming from a guy who owns a baron but has no current mission for said baron. But damned if I’ll get rid of it!

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 Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii
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Flying over the mountains in the West - no problem. Long water flight in a single engine piston - I will be paying someone to ferry it over. I have always had a water phobia. Besides the usual need to stretch my legs after 3-4 hours of flying plus take a piss break - what you do if you need to take a number 2 and you're 11 hours from Hilo?

I never understand why this is a concern. Take a pee bottle. Take a diaper. It's not complicated.


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 Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii
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Radar contact with the C210. Landing in 51 minutes.


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 Post subject: Re: 210 to hawaii
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I’m sure he’s fine. Departed out of Watsonville and there is an outfit there that does ferry tanks. I know a guy that did this in a 210 in the pr-gps era 1970’s… he said he got confused and so just decided to point in the direction of some contrails he saw overhead. That took some cahones…

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When I was a ramp rat, I used to occasionally fuel a guy who ferried airplanes to Australia. (Back in the '70s) I recall him stopping by in an A36 with the interior stripped out, and two 55 gallon drums plus a 30 gal drum in the back plumbed into the fuel system. He put the fuel in himself, I just drove the truck. I also recall we had to put a tail stand under it when full, or it would rock back on it's tail. The next morning, before his flight to CA, I had to wait for him to start it and run up to about 1000 rpm before I could remove the tail stand. He flew it that way, must have been very touchy in pitch.


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No way - Standard 210 is 90 gallons / long range tanks is 120 gallons. I bet that is with tips only considered. Has to be a honking ferry tank in there somewhere. He is currently at 150 mph - will speed up as he burns fuel but still....


The pilot is out of radar and ADS-B contact, so the speed readout that we are getting now is dated.

I must admit, while not being afraid of risk in general, flying a piston airplane nearly 14 hours over the open water is not my idea of fun.


FlightAware gets Aireon data. Never out of ADS-B range if he is equipped.

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FlightAware gets Aerion data. Never out of range.


Do you have an explanation why ~11 hours of the 14 hour flight has no data then?


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FlightAware gets Aerion data. Never out of range.


Do you have an explanation why ~11 hours of the 14 hour flight has no data then?


Data is there. Just not on the free site. They charge for the Aireon data. On the free FlightAware site you only see the ground based data.

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Flying over the mountains in the West - no problem. Long water flight in a single engine piston - I will be paying someone to ferry it over. I have always had a water phobia. Besides the usual need to stretch my legs after 3-4 hours of flying plus take a piss break - what you do if you need to take a number 2 and you're 11 hours from Hilo?


People who do not have their bowel movements in order are not the kind to undertake flights like this.


Speaking to some fighter and bomber pilots that I know, some of them take immodium a day or two before they do their long combat hops. Apparently there problems if they are on it for 3 days with the sortie not occurring. Their spouse also gets mad when they lose 5 pounds on that 4th day!

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When I was a ramp rat, I used to occasionally fuel a guy who ferried airplanes to Australia. (Back in the '70s) I recall him stopping by in an A36 with the interior stripped out, and two 55 gallon drums plus a 30 gal drum in the back plumbed into the fuel system. He put the fuel in himself, I just drove the truck. I also recall we had to put a tail stand under it when full, or it would rock back on it's tail. The next morning, before his flight to CA, I had to wait for him to start it and run up to about 1000 rpm before I could remove the tail stand. He flew it that way, must have been very touchy in pitch.

Was it Earl Covel? He was the other pilot flying the other aircraft along with Heidi Porch when she ditched. Earl lives here. Interesting stories.
He's a short muscular man. Talks like a pirate. After his third ditch, an Islander in the Pacific in 1993, he won't ferry piston aircraft over the pond.


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Speaking to some fighter and bomber pilots that I know, some of them take immodium a day or two before they do their long combat hops. Apparently there problems if they are on it for 3 days with the sortie not occurring. Their spouse also gets mad when they lose 5 pounds on that 4th day!


I think I would go the other direction and plan for the Colonoscopy prep colon cleanse. I would want nothing in the tanks other than AV gas. :eek:

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Does anybody know if as well as ferry tanks they add a system so they can add oil?


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