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 Post subject: Flaris: Polish VLJ
PostPosted: 19 Jun 2013, 20:57 
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Polish Very light Jet:

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Po ... 874-1.html
http://flaris.pl/en/flaris-brand/


The spec`s: weight, speed, taking off from grass-fields is all amazing! Hope they do build it. Can`t find the full specs, ceiling, etc?

thoughts?

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 Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ
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thoughts?

Sure, they are smoking something if they think they can certify anything resembling that!

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 Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ
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Oh boy
Now we are going back to the "innovate or die" thread. :roll: :duck:

Actually
I think this is neat. I wish someone could bust out some cheap ? kerosene burner that will truly be the next gen aircraft.
Interesting catch.
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 Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ
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Come on!
A VLJ weighing 1450 ibs with removable wings doing 375 kts for 5 people?
It better have a parachute because you will need it.
My TBM weighs 4600 ibs and I dont sweat when I hit turbulence.
:crazy:

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 Post subject: Re: Flaris: Polish VLJ
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Updated specs from this article:

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... ms-fj33-5a

Seats: 5
Takeoff: 820 ft
Max cruise: 380 KTAS
Stall: 62 KIAS
Empty: 1543 lbs
Gross: 3300 lbs
Ceiling: FL280 (lowered from FL460 previously)
Range: 1700nm (raise from 1250 nm previously)
Price: $1.5M (2013 dollars)
Chute: yes, in nose
Wings: detachable, no fuel in removable panels
Avionics: G600
Deice: electric
Engine: FJ33-5A (same as SF50, but listed at 1700 lbf)

Some derived numbers:

Empty weight is 2,200 lbs less than SF50 target, or about the empty weight of an SR22.

Assuming at least a 200 lb pilot, max fuel is 1557 lbs. That will run the FJ33-5A at cruise for 3 hours. No reserve, no takeoff, no climb, only cruise, to dry tanks.

In 3 hours of cruise, covers only 1140 nm. But yet spec says 1700 nm.

Let the laughing begin...

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This proves once again that paper is the greatest aircraft building material.


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This proves once again that paper is the greatest aircraft building material.

Web pages seem to work better now days. They have greatly reduced the time it takes to promote the impossible.

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Did anyone else notice the way the doors open? Adds a little literalism to the term "suicide doors"...

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Did anyone else notice the way the doors open?

Those aren't doors, those are the direct manually operated speed brakes.

Saves weight on actuators.

Another feature, once activated, the airplane automatically depressurizes and the empty weight goes down by approximately the weight of two doors, plus maybe potentially one or two passengers as well.

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THIS is the best Polak joke of the year ! :rofl:

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Nobody thinks this thing resembles the SF50? It feels like someone stole 50% of the plans before their connection to the Cirrus server was terminated.. And then they just made up the missing pieces..

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