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I’ve a friend coming off the retired 777 training on the Airbus 350. He says it’s designed to put any 3rd world pilot in the cockpit without getting anyone hurt.


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My employer asked whether they had considered the top of the line Gulfstream.

The reply was simple: A Gulfstream has only 2 engines, the 900 has 3.

I think when you’re a billionaire and money is no object and you’re using your private jet to routinely take trips around the globe that’s an excellent answer. :D

In reality, it means the 900 has 50% reserve power (needs 2/3rds of the engines to fly) while the Gulfstream has 100% reserve power (only needs half the engines). The twin is thus more overpowered on all engines than the trijet.

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I’ve a friend coming off the retired 777 training on the Airbus 350. He says it’s designed to put any 3rd world pilot in the cockpit without getting anyone hurt.


The 777/787 is the same way.


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My employer asked whether they had considered the top of the line Gulfstream.

The reply was simple: A Gulfstream has only 2 engines, the 900 has 3.

I think when you’re a billionaire and money is no object and you’re using your private jet to routinely take trips around the globe that’s an excellent answer. :D

In reality, it means the 900 has 50% reserve power (needs 2/3rds of the engines to fly) while the Gulfstream has 100% reserve power (only needs half the engines). The twin is thus more overpowered on all engines than the trijet.

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Just curious, does the 900 have a higher OEI ceiling than the Gulfstream? Could be an issue when flying over water.
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I’ve a friend coming off the retired 777 training on the Airbus 350. He says it’s designed to put any 3rd world pilot in the cockpit without getting anyone hurt.

This fallacy has been disproven repeatedly in the real world.

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Just curious, does the 900 have a higher OEI ceiling than the Gulfstream? Could be an issue when flying over water.


http://jetav.com/gulfstream-g-iv-performance-specs/

http://jetav.com/dassault-falcon-900ex- ... nce-specs/

According to these links^^^ (not guaranteing 100% accuracy of course), the engine out service ceilings are about the same on a G-IV vs 900EX.

Multiple factors can vary those numbers up and down a bit.


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the engine out service ceilings are about the same on a G-IV vs 900EX.

The Gulfstream is down to 50% fuel flow OEI, however.

Because the twin has to have 100% excess power to fly, it should have a pretty high OEI service ceiling.

Pylon engines are safer than any place you can put that third engine.

Anything that takes out two engines (volcanic ash, bad fuel, bad maintenance) will also take out all three on a trijet.

All this is to say that I would not favor a trijet over a twin on some perceived safety advantage.

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All this is to say that I would not favor a trijet over a twin on some perceived safety advantage.

No, but they sure are cool.

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The engines are drive by wire, the second lever seems like a waste. You are suggesting the computer do something, why do you need to tell it twice? I say once you go fly by wire, go all the way or go home.

I am pretty sure they will get it right. I am still amazed how reliable fly by wire planes have been. I remember reading about a falcon 7x? that had a control issue and pulled some crazy g load during the recovery. None of them seem to have crashed due to the system though.

Fabien, come fly the Piaggio. I spoke to a guy who has 4K hours in oiaggio and flies an 8x now. He liked Piaggio more :-)

I feel like the Falcons have infinitely more ramp panache than Gulfstream. When I get taxed out of the USA I am tempted to move to France just so I can get a Falcon 10 for single pilot local flights :-)

I am also pretty sure if I am a billionaire the guys up front will do their proving flights in an old mitts w steam gauges. This will ensure nothing the single lever falcon throws at them will test their mettle ;-)


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Anthony, I wish I could cross the pond right now and try your Piaggio. I've been in love with it for quite a while.

But, and sorry if I am bragging, my Dassault ride had delta wings...Hard to beat.

The single pilot falcon 10...that must have been fun too. You should see what some friends have done with the Falcon 200 and Falcon 50 used by the Navy ;)

Has anyone gotten a Falcon 50/900/7X AFM so we can take a look at OEI/2EI perfs? I'm pretty sure the Falcon is far from underpowered.

Also, can we please go back to calling them Mystère? Thank you!

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I like flying the 7X. If we have a plain old engine failure half way from Florida to Europe, I’ll sure feel better about still having 2 good motors during that 3 hour flight to our divert airport. The biggest advantage Falcon had over the G-whiz’s- no ladder is required for pitot covers install and it’s much easier to load baggage. I’d say that advantage is gone with the 10X.


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Aaron - what’s the fuel burn like on the 7x? What altitude do you usually cruise at? Post pics please!


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Aaron - what’s the fuel burn like on the 7x? What altitude do you usually cruise at? Post pics please!


Fuel Burn is between 3100-2100lbs/hr. We cruise 400-410 most of the time, but at max weight you are limited to 370-380 for the first couple hours.


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Wow. What a machine. Even if there was no performance reason for it I still think 3 engine gauges looks cooler than 2!

Do you train a single engine approach? Or is everything still on OEI?


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Fabien: you, and any private pilot, can still fly a Mirage III out of Payerne, not inexpensive though.
http://www.clindailes.ch/en/dates-and-prices-of-flights/

Anthony: think twice about relocating to France! Because of the French tax rates many moved from France to Switzerland (or to Russia 10% flat tax).


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