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 Post subject: Spacex needs two landing zones?
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I believe these two TFRs are related to CREW-1 Dragon returning from space.

But why two landing zones? The west one is 5 minutes after the east one.
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Also, why diamond instead of square or circular? Some reason for that outer shape?

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 Post subject: Re: Spacex needs two landing zones?
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Not sure why they need 2, but last time they had 3 of those diamonds out there. Maybe to cut down on the number of idiots in boats chasing the capsule on splash down?


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Subterfuge? If they block out more than one area, the boat idiots won't know where to go.


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weather contingency perhaps (thunderstorm) so they can make a last minute call.

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Diamonds? Your screen is just tilted. :D

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weather contingency perhaps (thunderstorm) so they can make a last minute call.

I think this has merit as a possible reason. I would question, though, that it is relatively common for a storm that would block one site would also block the other. They'd have to decide which one about half an orbit before reentry since I don't think there is enough control left to change spot late in the process.

It could also be a typo. I see that the west diamond has disappeared from skyvector's display. The east diamond date has moved. So maybe they are updating things.

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Maybe the one near Pensacola is a decoy, seeing what happened last time they splashed down here :lol:


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Vessel "GO Navigator" is likely to be the recovery ship. Currently docked at Pensacola. The other possible recovery ship is GO Searcher at Cape Canaveral.

Anybody who wants to know where the capsule is coming down needs only track GO Navigator's movements via AIS system.

GO Navigator:
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GO Searcher:
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when is the capsule scheduled to hit the ocean? I saw these TFR's last night while flying in


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when is the capsule scheduled to hit the ocean? I saw these TFR's last night while flying in

Canceled for tomorrow:

https://www.space.com/nasa-spacex-crew- ... ayed-again

NASA and SpaceX have again delayed the return to Earth for four astronauts on the Crew-1 mission to the International Space Station due to bad weather.

SpaceX's Crew-1 Dragon capsule and its crew of four were scheduled to undock from the station today (April 30) and splashdown just before midday on Saturday (May 1).


No new date has been stated.

There are multiple sites for landing:

SpaceX's Crew-1 Crew Dragon spacecraft, called Resilience, will splashdown in one of seven different target sites in either the Atlantic Ocean off Florida's coast or the Gulf of Mexico.

This could explain why GO Navigator is at Pensacola, and GO Searcher is at Cape Canaveral, to be able to cover all seven possible landing sites.

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GO Navigator is on station near Panama City, accompanied by CG vessel Benjamin Dailey. So they are going for the west most of the three touchdown TFR zones.

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But why two landing zones? The west one is 5 minutes after the east one.


Didn't the shuttle have more than one landing area, so weather could be avoided if need be.

This one, so close to the next, maybe so they could move recovery ships to an area clear of thunder storms, if needs must?

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But why two landing zones? The west one is 5 minutes after the east one.

Didn't the shuttle have more than one landing area, so weather could be avoided if need be.<snip>


I recall NASA's G-II shooting ILS approaches into KSAV, picking up fuel, and then taking back off only to come down like a bat out of Hades into KSVN back in the 90s. It was like a mini airshow because it came in fast and you could stand on the sidewalk under the approach path or the departure path. They did it 5 or 6 times in the years I lived in Savannah. It was probably also coinciding when they were bringing it in for service. Occasionally their T-38s would be on the ramp at Signature or Savannah Aviation around the same time but I never saw them up with the G-II.

There was Kennedy (FL), Edwards AFB, Vandenburg AFB, WSMR as well as a few dozen sites on the East Coast and in Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_S ... ding_sites

What is interesting is that Hunter Army Airfield and the 11,000 foot runway is not documented!

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From the NY Times:
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One advantage of a nighttime landing could be that fewer private boats are likely to be around. That was a problem in August when the earlier SpaceX capsule splashed down. More than a dozen boats — one of them flying a Trump campaign flag — converged on the singed capsule, and a few went in for a closer look.

The episode raised concerns among NASA and SpaceX officials about security and safety procedures. If there had been an emergency, NASA officials said, the private boats might have impeded recovery efforts. They added that there could have been poisonous fumes from the capsule that posed a risk to the boaters.

To avert such an outcome, the Coast Guard this time set up an 11.5-mile safety zone around splashdown site and chase away any interlopers.


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From the NY Times:
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One advantage of a nighttime landing could be that fewer private boats are likely to be around. That was a problem in August when the earlier SpaceX capsule splashed down. More than a dozen boats — one of them flying a Trump campaign flag — converged on the singed capsule, and a few went in for a closer look.

The episode raised concerns among NASA and SpaceX officials about security and safety procedures. If there had been an emergency, NASA officials said, the private boats might have impeded recovery efforts. They added that there could have been poisonous fumes from the capsule that posed a risk to the boaters.

To avert such an outcome, the Coast Guard this time set up an 11.5-mile safety zone around splashdown site and chase away any interlopers.

Yeah but what about my right to post the most awesomness freaking YouTube video EH-VER??? Huh???

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