BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 08:36

I believe these two TFRs are related to CREW-1 Dragon returning from space.

But why two landing zones? The west one is 5 minutes after the east one.

Attachment:

crew-1-landing-zones.png

Also, why diamond instead of square or circular? Some reason for that outer shape?

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 10:04

Not sure why they need 2, but last time they had 3 of those diamonds out there. Maybe to cut down on the number of idiots in boats chasing the capsule on splash down?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 10:07

Subterfuge? If they block out more than one area, the boat idiots won't know where to go.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 10:28

weather contingency perhaps (thunderstorm) so they can make a last minute call.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 10:28

Diamonds? Your screen is just tilted.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 10:59

Username Protected wrote:

weather contingency perhaps (thunderstorm) so they can make a last minute call.

I think this has merit as a possible reason. I would question, though, that it is relatively common for a storm that would block one site would also block the other. They'd have to decide which one about half an orbit before reentry since I don't think there is enough control left to change spot late in the process.

It could also be a typo. I see that the west diamond has disappeared from skyvector's display. The east diamond date has moved. So maybe they are updating things.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 11:06

Maybe the one near Pensacola is a decoy, seeing what happened last time they splashed down here :lol:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 11:29

Vessel "GO Navigator" is likely to be the recovery ship. Currently docked at Pensacola. The other possible recovery ship is GO Searcher at Cape Canaveral.

Anybody who wants to know where the capsule is coming down needs only track GO Navigator's movements via AIS system.

GO Navigator:
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9566887

GO Searcher:
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9591648

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 11:44

when is the capsule scheduled to hit the ocean? I saw these TFR's last night while flying in

Username Protected · **Posted:** 30 Apr 2021, 11:51

Username Protected wrote:

when is the capsule scheduled to hit the ocean? I saw these TFR's last night while flying in

Canceled for tomorrow:

https://www.space.com/nasa-spacex-crew- ... ayed-again

NASA and SpaceX have again delayed the return to Earth for four astronauts on the Crew-1 mission to the International Space Station due to bad weather.

SpaceX's Crew-1 Dragon capsule and its crew of four were scheduled to undock from the station today (April 30) and splashdown just before midday on Saturday (May 1).

No new date has been stated.

There are multiple sites for landing:

SpaceX's Crew-1 Crew Dragon spacecraft, called Resilience, will splashdown in one of seven different target sites in either the Atlantic Ocean off Florida's coast or the Gulf of Mexico.

This could explain why GO Navigator is at Pensacola, and GO Searcher is at Cape Canaveral, to be able to cover all seven possible landing sites.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 May 2021, 20:24

GO Navigator is on station near Panama City, accompanied by CG vessel Benjamin Dailey. So they are going for the west most of the three touchdown TFR zones.

GO Navigator:
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9566887

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 May 2021, 20:37

Username Protected wrote:

But why two landing zones? The west one is 5 minutes after the east one.

Didn't the shuttle have more than one landing area, so weather could be avoided if need be.

This one, so close to the next, maybe so they could move recovery ships to an area clear of thunder storms, if needs must?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 May 2021, 01:45

Username Protected wrote:

But why two landing zones? The west one is 5 minutes after the east one.

Didn't the shuttle have more than one landing area, so weather could be avoided if need be.<snip>

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 May 2021, 08:16

From the NY Times:

Quote:

One advantage of a nighttime landing could be that fewer private boats are likely to be around. That was a problem in August when the earlier SpaceX capsule splashed down. More than a dozen boats — one of them flying a Trump campaign flag — converged on the singed capsule, and a few went in for a closer look.

The episode raised concerns among NASA and SpaceX officials about security and safety procedures. If there had been an emergency, NASA officials said, the private boats might have impeded recovery efforts. They added that there could have been poisonous fumes from the capsule that posed a risk to the boaters.

To avert such an outcome, the Coast Guard this time set up an 11.5-mile safety zone around splashdown site and chase away any interlopers.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 02 May 2021, 10:05

Username Protected wrote:

From the NY Times:

Quote:

One advantage of a nighttime landing could be that fewer private boats are likely to be around. That was a problem in August when the earlier SpaceX capsule splashed down. More than a dozen boats — one of them flying a Trump campaign flag — converged on the singed capsule, and a few went in for a closer look.

The episode raised concerns among NASA and SpaceX officials about security and safety procedures. If there had been an emergency, NASA officials said, the private boats might have impeded recovery efforts. They added that there could have been poisonous fumes from the capsule that posed a risk to the boaters.

To avert such an outcome, the Coast Guard this time set up an 11.5-mile safety zone around splashdown site and chase away any interlopers.

Yeah but what about my right to post the most awesomness freaking YouTube video EH-VER??? Huh???

Spacex needs two landing zones?