Chip

What years / models would do you define as “Legacy Beech AC systems.....”

Sometimes buying without pre-buy inspection works out just fine too.

Sometimes the inspection doesn't catch a crazy expensive that will bite you in short order.

Airplanes is airplanes. Just kinda depends.

And trust, but verify, the shop you choose to do the work with. I had my pre-buy done at Stevens Nashville, partially based on your prior recommendations. The AC system was completely void of freon, so a full visual inspection took place for all components.

No dye leaks or flaws were found, and the system held vacuum, so they suggested a freon top off and monitor for the week or two it would be in their possession. The AC compressor kicked on during our preflight tests, and since delivery was already running over a day late, we accepted the airplane, one flight later, we had a popped CB in the nose compartment, we brought the plane back and the system was inspected, and they stated a harness had a loose wire in it, and reset the CB. Shortly after, on the next flight, the problem occurred again

I took the plane to a different shop, had the logbooks and work reviewed, and they noted in the logbooks and service records that the system was serviced with 3.4lbs of freon. The second shop found this curious as my serial number only calls for 2.5lbs, so they took all the charge out to correct the problem. They recovered a total of 4.5lbs of freon- 55% more refrigerant than a system is designed for!! Very fortunate that no further damage occurred to the components.

The CB in the nose has not tripped again

Ok, I have to ask, what is “Black Death”? It certainly doesn’t sound good.

LOOK AROUND **!!@%$^&. BOATS, JEEPS, SIDE BY SIDES, CAMPERS, VACATION HOMES, there is a buying frenzy coming from the government hand outs.

It will end.

The smart money is sitting on the side lines.

Jg[/quote]

While I completely agree the smart money is sitting on the sidelines, I couldn’t disagree more on “There is a buying frenzy coming from Government Handouts”. I’m not sure what planet you’re living on when your contention is people who received 2,000 dollars over the past year an half are out there whipping up a buying Frenzy with their sudden wind fall of 2,000 dollars over said time frame. Has it occurred to you that Working and Middle Class Americans are absolutely getting financially obliterated right now?

I’m pretty sure that pittance of help went towards food, rent and medical attention as opposed to Jeep’s and Campers. You might want to Take the time to actually research and evaluate financial and economic conditions in our country before making such statements. Or better yet- get out there in your community and help those who are in desperate need right now. You can always reach out within your community and get some kids up flying. It never ceases to amaze me how much the 100 dollar Hamburger can ignite the passion for aviation within our kids. Let’s all do our part.

Whoa fellas, let’s not go there today. Don’t want to get this thread deleted.

Bob,

I am not talking about the handouts to the average citizen. Apparently, you are unaware of the others that have been going on to individuals and businesses as well. It's public record. You need to bring yourself up to speed.

PPP loans went out en mass last year and were forgiven in almost all cases. One local business got over three mil, another six hundred thousand; both had record sales years. There is an estimate that over six hundred million has been fraudulent and a there is a limitation on investigation. Two of my companies got a measly $33,000. There is another program that will pay one of my businesses $240,000. My losses are real.

Trust me, PPP loans are very much behind behind this buying frenzy.

Jg

Doh!

So, the PPP which was supposed to go to protect worker paychecks are going into buying KA's, and houses, etc.

Thats the problem I have with Supply side Economics.

Chip

What years / models would do you define as “Legacy Beech AC systems.....”

Anything that is non-Keith, it’s serial number 500 and newer in the 350 I’d have to look and see where the break is on B200’s but somewhere around 2004-2005.

Don’t forget the EIDL loans..

[quote="John Grady Green"]Bob,

I am not talking about the handouts to the average citizen. Apparently, you are unaware of the others that have been going on to individuals and businesses as well. It's public record. You need to bring yourself up to speed.

PPP loans went out en mass last year and were forgiven in almost all cases. One local business got over three mil, another six hundred thousand; both had record sales years. There is an estimate that over six hundred million has been fraudulent and a there is a limitation on investigation. Two of my companies got a measly $33,000. There is another program that will pay one of my businesses $240,000. My losses are real.

Trust me, PPP loans are very much behind behind this buying frenzy.



Well aware of the abuses and outright fraud on the PPP Business loan side of things as well. Glad you’re speaking to that as opposed to the average citizen as you pointed out. Tom Brady’s TB12 Wajer 55S Sport Yacht rings in at a cool 2 Million Dollars of which 960k was paid for by PPP funds. So completely agree on that type of abuse and fraud for sure and totally agree major purchases are being funded by said abuse and fraud.

Wise words right there, Jg. I have said to Sandra recently that we are very fortunate NOT to be in need of real estate today. We have had our homes for years so no reason to jump into the crap shoot. Everything is cyclical and we are IMHO, a supernova that will at some point become a black hole.

Yup. Combined with historically low (and unsustainable) interest rates, a distortion in economic reality created by the federal government has been created and is unfolding before our eyes. Feels good now but will not end well.