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Post subject: Re: NTSB Probe PA46 Nose Gear Issues Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 16:15 |
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From the Malibu thread: Username Protected wrote: Recommend keeping the tires spec +5% and checking them every flight until you are confident that you know the leak rate on the tires. Even 5 PSI below spec is a very bad idea ... WoW! If 5% or 5 PSI off the NLG tire pressure is all it takes to dart off the runway upon landing, many King Airs would be out to pasture. I even have seen the tire pressure wrongly painted on the B350i gear doors, off by up to 15 PSI.
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Post subject: Re: NTSB Probe PA46 Nose Gear Issues Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 16:37 |
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Joined: 01/14/09 Posts: 817 Post Likes: +312 Location: Boise, ID
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Username Protected wrote: Greg, Cessna 421’s out sold the Duke 2 to 1. Cessna only stopped production in 1982 because of the cost for liability insurance. Piper and all other manufacturers did the same. I was being sarcastic based on previous comments about owners stepping out of planes due to "design flaws".
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Post subject: Re: NTSB Probe PA46 Nose Gear Issues Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 16:41 |
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Joined: 01/14/09 Posts: 817 Post Likes: +312 Location: Boise, ID
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Username Protected wrote: Not sure why because I say the PA46 has a weakness that you feel like you have to attack other aircraft. I am not saying there are planes without weaknesses or design issues. I am simply saying the PA46 has a issue with the design of the nose gear. I didn’t just come up with this on my own, hence this thread.
Fact is the nose gear on the PA46 has caused a lot of runway excursions. When I bought my Mirage it had already had two accidents on landing before I bought it. It was a 1990 model. My 1977 421 has had zero landing accidents. Just because the 421 has had other issues goes not take away from the PA46 nose gear issue and accidents
But I think you are saying that it’s OK because you and I did not crash our PA46. Nothing to see here, move along. Haha
Mike I'm not attacking. I'm comparing and merely pointing the method in which you use "design issues or flaws" can be applied to any plane. The PA46 design has been around since the mid-eighties. I'm sure any design flaws would have been addressed. Notice how you state that by me pointing out "design flaws" in your aircraft you feel I am attacking that plane, yet you can't see the irony in how you attack by calling characteristics of a particular plane flawed?
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Post subject: Re: NTSB Probe PA46 Nose Gear Issues Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 16:41 |
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Joined: 01/14/09 Posts: 817 Post Likes: +312 Location: Boise, ID
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Username Protected wrote: Yes blame it on tire pressure? Not the pilot or the manufacturer.
All planes have little quirks, they just require a pilot that pays attention. Completely, 100%, agree with this.
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Post subject: Re: NTSB Probe PA46 Nose Gear Issues Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 18:27 |
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Joined: 01/14/09 Posts: 817 Post Likes: +312 Location: Boise, ID
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Username Protected wrote: OK Greg, you win. PA46 nose gear is fine. LOL
Sorry I shared why experience and said anything.
I will get back to flying my plane with poorly designed fuel management system.
Mike Haha. You do that Michael. And I'll just keep on lying like all us PA46 drivers.
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Post subject: Re: NTSB Probe PA46 Nose Gear Issues Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 18:46 |
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Yes. Ground handling is challenging but not unreasonable on the pa-46 350P I fly (mirage). I am willing to guess that some of these landing accidents are related to the rudder trim. The rest are related to low tire pressure & hard nose gear landings. This nose gear has to rotate 90 degrees to fit under the engine when in the up position. It just isn’t as strong as a bonanza nose gear. That said, it’s not hard to land the plane and actually once you get the speed right, you can grease it on, over and over.
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Post subject: Re: NTSB Probe PA46 Nose Gear Issues Posted: 17 Feb 2021, 18:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: OK Greg, you win. PA46 nose gear is fine. LOL
Sorry I shared why experience and said anything.
I will get back to flying my plane with poorly designed fuel management system.
Mike Haha. You do that Michael. And I'll just keep on lying like all us PA46 drivers.
Never said all of the PA46 drivers are lying. Just the ones that say the nose gear isn't a problem. Hehe
Mike
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